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In this episode of 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast, Ana, Amy and Nick break down “evermore” — the beautiful closing track of Taylor Swift’s evermore album featuring Bon Iver and co-written with William Bowery (Joe Alwyn). We dive into Taylor’s emotional storytelling, the symbolism behind lyrics like “gray November” and “this pain would be forevermore,” and how the song captures the shared heaviness of 2020. The hosts unpack Taylor’s reflections on the 2016 fallout, her isolation during the pandemic, and how the song’s closing warmth — “floors of a cabin creaking under my step” — reminds us that healing and hope always return. They also discuss the poetic bridge with Bon Iver, the emotional shift from despair to peace, and the theory behind the “alternate endings” Taylor teased with right where you left me and it’s time to go.  Join the 13 Podcast for this heartfelt episode as they close the book on evermore and prepare for Taylor’s alternate endings of this story with the evermore deluxe tracks.. Those breakdowns are coming up next!  Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Join the conversation in our exclusive  Lobster Lounge: station.page/13  Contact the Podcast  Voicemail: (689) 214-1313  Email: the13podcast@gmail.com  Instagram: @the13podcast  TikTok: @the13podcast  Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast  YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast  Follow the Hosts  Ana – @anaszabo13  Lacey – @laceygee13  Amy – @amysnichols  Nick – @heynickadams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11 Marras 31min

The 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast team recaps their biggest event yet — Swifties in the City at the Omni Dallas Hotel! Ana, Amy and Nick relive the magic of hosting 900 Swifties for an unforgettable night filled with music, sparkle, and pure Taylor joy. From meeting fans who traveled near and far to celebrating the Swiftie community that made this possible, this episode is a heartfelt thank-you to everyone who helped bring the event to life. Hear behind-the-scenes stories, touching fan moments, and a few exclusive details about what’s next for future 13 Podcast events.  Special Thanks To: Omni Dallas Hotel – for hosting us and our Swifties in the heart of downtown Dallas Longhorn Helicopters – for the beautiful helicopter ride when the city lit up orange for The Life of a Showgirl Charity Eden from "Lover: The Unofficial Eras Tour"  DJ Inzo  – for keeping the Swiftie energy alive all night long Blissful Fiesta Event Décor – for the stunning balloon and photo booth setup 1061. Kiss FM Dallas  Our amazing Swiftie Marketplace vendors: Zozo and Co • Her Roots Inspiration Co. • Wildest Dreams Hair • Tina Soria Creations • Hey Hannah Creations • Nicky Smith Designs • Cryptic Kitty Designs • Nelly Rose Jewelry • Sunny Lux • The Archer’s Works • Crew Designs • Hallows Eve Oddity Jewelry & Apothecary  • Sassy Faces Giveaway donors: Flaunt Cases • Jacob Rivera Sanchez ,  Livie Jean Art and "The Breakup Tour" by Emily Wibberley &  Austin Siegemund-Broka Listener supporters and donors: Ashlee Harper Johnson, Kalea Bennett, Katherine Earle, Fernanda Volpon Robles, Sarah Dubec, Jacon Rivera-Sanchez, Amber Flores-Grijalva, Kaycee Clark, Michael O'Connell, Jessica Shook, Ashley Hatton, Joshua Bell, Daisy Patton, Leo's Bark Kim, Jennifer Ontiveroz — and every single Swiftie who donated or showed up! Listen now to celebrate friendship, music, and the incredible Swiftie community that makes every moment special.  And THANK YOU for making the night so successful and unforgettable!  Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Join the conversation in our exclusive Lobster Lounge: station.page/13  Contact the Podcast  Voicemail: (689) 214-1313  Email: the13podcast@gmail.com  Instagram: @the13podcast  TikTok: @the13podcast  Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast  YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast  Follow the Hosts  Ana – @anaszabo13  Lacey – @laceygee13  Amy – @amysnichols  Nick – @heynickadams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

6 Marras 25min

It’s the end of Evermore era (almost!) — and what better way to celebrate it than with the breakdown of closure. In this episode, Nick, Ana, and Amy dive deep into the meaning of "closure" from Evermore, exploring its chaotic intro, sharp lyricism, and what the song reveals about saying goodbye — even when you don’t need to. From theories about who the song might be directed toward (Scott Borchetta? Scooter Braun? A former friend?) to how Taylor transforms sarcasm into strength, this breakdown covers it all. Plus, hear theories on why Closure isn’t actually the final song on Evermore — and what that says about Taylor’s storytelling. Join us next time for the unofficial end to evermore… before we get into the deluxe tracks. And up next… It’s time to delve into The Life of a Showgirl!  THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY BETTERHELP Give online therapy a try at https://www.BETTERHELP.COM/TAYLORSWIFTFAN and get on your way to being your best self.  Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Join the conversation in our exclusive  Lobster Lounge: station.page/13  Contact the Podcast  Voicemail: (689) 214-1313  Email: the13podcast@gmail.com  Instagram: @the13podcast  TikTok: @the13podcast  Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast  YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast  Follow the Hosts  Ana – @anaszabo13  Lacey – @laceygee13  – @amysnichols  Nick – @heynickadams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

4 Marras 30min

In this episode of 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast, Ana, Lacey, and Nick return to the studio after their successful Swifties in the City event to break down one of Taylor Swift’s most emotional songs — Marjorie from Evermore. They dive into the meaning behind Taylor’s tribute to her grandmother, opera singer Marjorie Finlay, and explore how this deeply personal track connects to themes of legacy, loss, and love. They unpack Taylor’s lyrics line by line, discuss the symbolism of the color yellow, and revisit Taylor’s emotional performance of Marjorie on The Eras Tour — complete with real vocals from her grandmother woven into the music. You’ll also hear reflections on grief, memory, and the way Taylor’s songwriting captures timeless lessons like “never be so kind you forget to be clever.” Plus, the hosts tease what’s next for their song breakdown series and share fan-favorite theories linking Marjorie to The Life of a Showgirl. Whether you’re a lifelong Swiftie or just discovering the hidden stories behind Taylor’s songs, this episode will leave you feeling connected, emotional, and full of love for the woman who inspired it all.   Listen now and join the conversation on social media @the13podcast or at www.the13podcast.net Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Join the conversation in our exclusive Lobster Lounge: station.page/13  Contact the Podcast Voicemail: (689) 214-1313  Email: the13podcast@gmail.com  Instagram: @the13podcast  TikTok: @the13podcast  Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast  YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast  Follow the Hosts  Ana – @anaszabo13  Lacey – @laceygee13  Amy – @amysnichols  Nick – @heynickadams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

28 Loka 49min

Taylor Swift’s “Long Story Short” may sound upbeat, but beneath the melody lies one of her most personal reflections on survival, growth, and finding peace after public chaos. In this episode of 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast, Ana, Nick and Amy break down every lyric of track 12 from Evermore, unpacking the moments that defined Taylor’s resilience — from media battles and heartbreak to the calm that followed. The squad dives deep into: Why “Long Story Short” feels different from the rest of Evermore How it serves as Taylor’s self-narrated redemption story Hidden meanings behind iconic lines like “your nemesis will defeat themselves before you get the chance to swing” The parallels between her public fall, private healing, and the ultimate message of survival Stay tuned through the laughter, lyrical analysis, and fan voicemails that capture the heart of the Swiftie community — because, long story short… we all survived the eras and came out stronger.  Stream this week’s episode wherever you listen to podcasts, and join us for more breakdowns, Easter eggs, and Swiftie moments at the13podcast.net.  Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Join the conversation in our exclusive  Lobster Lounge: station.page/13  Contact the Podcast  Voicemail: (689) 214-1313  Email: the13podcast@gmail.com  Instagram: @the13podcast  TikTok: @the13podcast  Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast  YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast  Follow the Hosts  Ana – @anaszabo13  Lacey – @laceygee13  Amy – @amysnichols  Nick – @heynickadams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

21 Loka 27min

In this episode of 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast, Nick, Ana, Amy, and Lacey break down track 11, “cowboy like me” from evermore. From lyrical storytelling to hidden metaphors, the team unpacks why this fan-favorite has become one of Taylor’s most poetic and underrated masterpieces. The hosts explore everything from the mysterious “tent-like thing” lyric to the connection between love, deception, and independence in Taylor’s songwriting. Is cowboy like me a love story, a con, or both? Tune in to hear the Swiftie theories, laughter, and chaos that make every 13 episode feel like a night with your favorite Swiftie friends. Plus — the countdown is on for Swifties in the City, happening Friday, October 17 from 6–9 p.m. at the Omni Dallas Hotel on the Pegasus Lawn! Celebrate The Life of a Showgirl with music, giveaways, a Swiftie Market, DJ set, and live entertainment — all for just $13. Grab your tickets at⁠ www.the13podcast.net⁠ before they’re gone!    THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY BETTERHELP  Give online therapy a try at ⁠BetterHelp.com/TAYLORSWIFTFAN⁠ and get on your way to being your best self.     THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY KNIX Go to ⁠KnixTeen.com⁠  and use code SWIFITIES for 15% off.    THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY FAST GROWING TREES That’s 15% off at ⁠FastGrowingTrees.com⁠ using the code TAYLORSWIFTFAN at checkout.    THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY WAYFAIR Head to ⁠Wayfair.com⁠ right now to shop all things home.   Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Join the conversation in our exclusive Lobster Lounge: station.page/13  Contact the Podcast  Voicemail: (689) 214-1313  Email: the13podcast@gmail.com  Instagram: @the13podcast  TikTok: @the13podcast  Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast  YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast  Follow the Hosts  Ana – @anaszabo13  Lacey – @laceygee13  Amy – @amysnichols  Nick – @heynickadams   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

14 Loka 39min

We’re back in our Evermore era — lights out, chaos on, and ready to dive deep into a fan all-time favorite track: ivy.  In this episode, the 13 crew breaks down the haunting beauty of ivy — from its poetic lyrics and tangled metaphors to Taylor’s storytelling magic that blurs the line between love, loss, and loyalty. Plus, find out about our own brush with Tayvoodoo . And what comments about The Life of a Showgirl have aged well? And of course, we’ve got major updates about Swifties in the City, our next big celebration for The Life of a Showgirl, happening October 17th from 6–9 p.m. at the Omni Dallas Hotel. Expect music, friendship bracelets, Swiftie market finds, and a few little shhhh! sessions we can’t talk about too loudly.  Tickets are only $13 and available now at the13podcast.net. THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY QUINCE Find your fall staples at Quince.com/taylorswiftfan for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too!  Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Join the conversation in our exclusive  Lobster Lounge: station.page/13  Contact the Podcast  Voicemail: (689) 214-1313  Email: the13podcast@gmail.com  Instagram: @the13podcast  TikTok: @the13podcast  Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast  YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast  Follow the Hosts  Ana – @anaszabo13  Lacey – @laceygee13  Amy – @amysnichols  Nick – @heynickadams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

7 Loka 52min

The Showgirl era is in full sparkle — and we’ve got plenty of SwifTEA to spill!  After a whirlwind release weekend, the 13 Podcast is breaking down The Life of a Showgirl with fresh ears, movie theater emotions, and a helicopter view you have to hear about to believe.  Join Ana & Nick as they recap Taylor’s record-breaking weekend, the mysterious orange doors that appeared across the globe, and why “Elizabeth Taylor” might just be the standout of the album. Plus, hear what it was like flying over the Dallas skyline with Longhorn Helicopters and seeing the Omni Dallas Hotel light up in glittering orange to celebrate the new era — the same spot that’ll host our Swifties in the City release party on October 17th!  We’re sending big thank-yous to Omni Dallas Hotel and Longhorn Helicopters for helping us celebrate this magical launch weekend in true Showgirl fashion.   Tickets for Swifties in the City are just $13 at www.the13podcast.net — and don’t forget about shhhhh sessions!  Tell us your favorite song from the new album & tag us on socials @the13podcast.It’s time to sparkle, Swifties — this era’s all about orange doors, big dreams, and even bigger joy.   Stay Connected with 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast Join the conversation in our exclusive Lobster Lounge: station.page/13  Contact the Podcast  Voicemail: (689) 214-1313  Email: the13podcast@gmail.com  Instagram: @the13podcast  TikTok: @the13podcast  Twitter/X: @the13TSpodcast  YouTube: 13: A Taylor Swift Fan Podcast  Follow the Hosts  Ana – @anaszabo13  Lacey – @laceygee13  Amy – @amysnichols  Nick – @heynickadams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

6 Loka 36min