The Importance of User Testing with People with Disabilities

The Importance of User Testing with People with Disabilities

Join Natalie Garza and accessibility expert Natalie MacLees in the 19th episode of the AAArdvark Accessibility Podcast. In this episode, they discuss the vital practice of user testing, especially with people with disabilities. From defining user testing to its execution and why it’s indispensable, learn how involving disabled users can uncover specific issues that would otherwise be missed. They also explore how to find and recruit disabled testers, the help available from specialized organizations, and the benefits of conducting tests remotely.

Natalie Garza: Hello, everybody, and welcome to the AAArdvark Accessibility Podcast. This is episode 19. I am Natalie Garza, one of the co-hosts, and with me today is.

Natalie MacLees: Natalie MacLees, accessibility expert.

Natalie Garza: And in today’s episode, she’s going to teach us all about user testing, specifically with people with disabilities. So, to get started, what is user testing in general?

Natalie MacLees: Yeah, so when you’re building a product or a website, you can do testing with real users, and that can look like a few different things that we’ll talk about today. But basically, you sit down real users in front of your product.

And have them try it out. And it is one of the most maddening and frustrating things you will ever do because no matter how carefully you have designed something and you think it’s so beautiful, users will not be able to figure out how to do anything and it will drive you up the wall.

But basically, you sit them down and give them a task and say, you know, “Hey, find information about elephants on this website,” or “put a product in a cart and check out.” You give them a task like that to complete, and then you kind of observe as they go through that task. You see where they run into problems, where they run into issues, and where they get confused, and you keep track of how long it takes ’em to complete the task.

Natalie Garza: Yeah. As frustrating as it can be, it’s probably one of the most valuable things you can do.

Natalie MacLees: Absolutely, you can learn so, so much about your product and you could, you could spend hours looking at a screen of your app, for example, and in two or three user tests get way more information on what should be changed and how it should look, by watching some real users attempt to use it.

Natalie Garza: Yeah, it’s a real eye-opener, ’cause you realize not everyone treats technology the same as you.

Natalie MacLees: And not everybody is super tech savvy, you will have situations where you have a giant flashing red button in the middle of the screen that says, “click here,” and users will go,” I don’t, I don’t see where to click. I don’t.”

And it’s really hard to not just do it for them.

Natalie Garza: Yeah, you, you can’t help ’em if they’re just staring blankly. You just have to let them.

Natalie MacLees: Yeah. You can kind of step in and kind of gently nudge them if they start to get really frustrated. But yeah, you should generally try not to participate too much.

Natalie Garza: Yeah, and I would say user testing usually is targeted towards like the audience of the product that you’re working on, like if it’s a business product, you’re gonna get the business people to come test it. Or if it’s for non-tech-savvy people, you’re gonna get non-tech-savvy users.

Natalie MacLees: Yeah, exactly. So you wanna figure out who your user base is, and then that’s who you wanna recruit to come in and do the user test.

Natalie Garza: But often disabled users get overlooked, so why should...

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WCAGs Cousins – ATAG, UAAG, PDF/UA

WCAGs Cousins – ATAG, UAAG, PDF/UA

Join Natalie and Natalie in the twelfth episode of the AAArdvark Accessibility Podcast as they explore the lesser-known cousins of WCAG: ATAG, UAAG, and PDF/UA. They discuss the importance of these guidelines for authoring tools, user agents, and PDFs and explore how implementing them can significantly enhance web accessibility. The episode also touches on the real-world implications and the responsibilities of tool developers in creating accessible software. Natalie Garza: Hello, everybody, and welcome to this episode of the AAArdvark Accessibility Podcast. My name is Natalie G, and with me today is, Natalie MacLees: Natalie MacLees. Natalie Garza: Yes, thank you for joining us today, Natalie. Natalie MacLees: Thanks for having me. Natalie Garza: Yes, this is the twelfth episode, and in this podcast episode, we’re gonna talk about WCAG’s cousins. Let’s talk about cousins. They are ATAG, UAAG, and PDF/UA. Natalie MacLees: Yeah, I’m pretty sure those are the official names. Natalie Garza: Yes, we’re gonna go over each one. Natalie MacLees: The other accessibility guidelines. Natalie Garza: Yes, the not-so-mentioned, often forgotten, but they’re here, and we’re gonna talk about them. Alright, Natalie, what is, what is WCAG? It’s just a refresher for our audience.  Natalie MacLees: WCAG, W C A G, stands for the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines, and it’s what applies to any kind of online content or software, even though the name is web content. So like online web apps and things like that, it also applies. Natalie Garza: Yes, and I feel like if you put any attention into the accessibility space, that’s all you hear. WCAG this, WCAG that. Natalie MacLees: Yes, you do hear it a lot. People talk about WCAG a lot and they don’t talk about its cousins. Natalie Garza: What are the cousins, Natalie? We want to start with ATAG? Natalie MacLees: I usually say A-TAG, but okay, we can call it whatever you want. ATAG, Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines. You’ll notice they all end in A G because they’re all accessibility guidelines. And this is a set of guidelines meant for authoring tools. So things like your favorite CMS. Whether that’s Drupal, WordPress, Wix, Weebly, Squarespace, etc. There’s literally hundreds of them at this point and ATAG should be applying to all of these things. Unfortunately, it is not very evenly implemented. And ATAG aims to do two things with an authoring tool. Number one, it aims to try to make sure that people with disabilities can use the tool. And, so in that way, it’s all of the WCAG rules just applied to, you know, the admin editing interface of, you know, WordPress or whatever to make sure that if you’re using a screen reader or your keyboard only, or, you know, whatever kind of assistive technology you’re using, you can go in and write blog posts and add images and all of those kinds of things. The other part of ATAG is to help you, as an author, make sure that your content that you’re creating is accessible. And so it should have little tips and little warnings that show up. If you try to put white text on a pale yellow background, you should see some kind of warning come up that just says, “Oh, hey, you might want to pick a different color here. This isn’t accessible.” It should have little reminders, “oh...

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