Chris Voss Says Trump's Secret Weapon Is Empathy

The world-renowned negotiator on our “dealmaker in chief” and the benefit of approaching life as a deal waiting to be made.

• Thoughts? Email us at theinterview@nytimes.com
• Watch our show on YouTube: youtube.com/@TheInterviewPodcast
• For transcripts and more, visit: nytimes.com/theinterview

Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.