Why Kamala Harris' firsts matter

Vice President-elect Kamala Harris' place in the White House alongside Joe Biden is a historic development for America. This episode is a special deep dive into the nation's understanding about identity — and how Harris' vice presidency could help change how we talk about race and ethnicity. Guests: Axios' Courtenay Brown, UC Riverside political scientist Karthick Ramakrishnan and Pew Research Center's Mark Lopez. Credits: "Axios Today" is produced in partnership with Pushkin Industries. The team includes Niala Boodhoo, Sara Kehaulani Goo, Dan Bobkoff, Carol Wu, Cara Shillenn, Nuria Marquez Martinez, Naomi Shavin and Alex Sugiura. Music is composed by Evan Viola. You can reach us at podcasts@axios.com. Go deeper: Kamala Harris inspires new race conversation