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Are Humans Wired for Mystical Experiences? Matt Zemon

Can an ordinary person have a mystical or direct spiritual experience?

In this conversation, Les Raymond sits down with Matt Zemon, executive director of the Council on Spiritual Practices and author of *Ordinary Mystics: Psychedelics, Faith, and the Reclaiming of Direct Spiritual Experience*, to explore the fascinating intersection of psychedelics, spirituality, religion, healing, and human connection. Matt shares how a guided psilocybin experience at age 46 completely changed the way he understood spirituality and ultimately led him to study psychology, neuroscience, mental health, ministry, and the long history of psychedelics in spiritual practice.

Together, Les and Matt explore:

* Why psychedelics can create profound feelings of connection and meaning

* Whether humans may be naturally wired for mystical experiences

* Psychedelics as one tool among many for accessing altered states

* The relationship between religion and direct spiritual experience

* Why similar mystical experiences appear across different cultures and faith traditions

* The difference between psychedelics as a cure and as a catalyst

* Why integration and community matter after a powerful experience

* Psilocybin and changing our relationship with death

* Les's own experiences with microdosing and psychedelic-assisted personal growth

* How set, setting, source, and support can reduce risk* Why surrender can be such an important part of difficult psychedelic experiences

* The role of self-love, reflection, meditation, and nature in integration

* The emerging world of psychedelic spiritual communities and churches

Matt also shares powerful experiences around death, grief, connection, and gratitude, including moments in which psychedelic experiences radically changed his relationship with being alive.At the heart of the conversation is a simple but provocative idea: psychedelics may not give us something we don't already possess. They may instead act as catalysts that help us access parts of ourselves that were already there.

**Learn more about Matt Zemon:**

mattzemon.com

His new book, ***Ordinary Mystics: Psychedelics, Faith, and the Reclaiming of Direct Spiritual Experience***, explores how ordinary people can have profound spiritual experiences and what those experiences might mean for faith, community, healing, and everyday life.

The book is available wherever books are sold, with an audiobook narrated by Matt as well

.This conversation is for educational purposes only and is not medical advice or encouragement to use illegal substances. Laws and risks vary, and Matt emphasizes the importance of informed decision-making, source, set, setting, and community.

Ordinary Mystics and Free Resources: https://mattzemon.com/ordinarymysticsbookWebsite: https://mattzemon.comLinkedin: https://mattzemon.com/linkedinInstagram: @matt.zemonTEDx: https://mattzemon.com/TEDx#Psychedelics

#Spirituality #Psilocybin #MysticalExperience #Consciousness #PersonalGrowth #Faith #MentalHealth #TheMindfulMovement

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Thanks so much for all of your support!

With gratitude,

Les and Sara

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