IL53: How Bonds Quietly Built the Modern World ft. Robin Wigglesworth

Today we talk with the editor of the Financial Times’ Alphaville blog, Robin Wigglesworth. Robin is the author of A Fabulous Debt - the Epic Story of How Bonds Built the Modern World. He tells the story of the bond market’s beginnings in Venice and how the ability to issue and trade bonds was an essential aspect of its rise to power. Robin explains why historically bond markets and democracy have gone hand-in-hand. Innovations in how bonds are structured and traded also have the ability alter market fundamentals and he explains how this happened with the US junk bond market pioneered by Michael Milken. We talk about likely future innovations and finish with a discussion of current bond market turmoil and the implications for both the Fed and Treasury.

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Episode TimeStamps:

00:00 - How junk bonds changed the market

00:56 - Introducing Robin Wigglesworth and A Fabulous Debt

03:39 - Why ignorance can actually help you understand history

07:50 - How Venice accidentally invented the bond market

12:55 - How bonds helped strengthen democracy and accountability

17:31 - How Britain turned bonds into a global reserve asset

24:43 - Why strong bond markets often create stronger countries

28:56 - Could Europe ever create a true Eurobond market?

32:19 - How the modern international bond market was born

39:39 - Michael Milken and the rise of junk bonds

44:21 - How Milken changed the market he was studying

48:51 - Tokenization and the next evolution of fixed income

49:28 - Why bond ETFs may have actually improved liquidity

55:24 - What Treasury buybacks are really trying to achieve

57:33 - Why Robin thinks the buybacks won’t solve the problem

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