#751: Elizabeth Gilbert and Jack Kornfield

This episode is a two-for-one, and that’s because the podcast recently hit its 10-year anniversary and passed one billion downloads. To celebrate, I’ve curated some of the best of the best—some of my favorites—from more than 700 episodes over the last decade. I could not be more excited. The episode features segments from episode #430 "Elizabeth Gilbert’s Creative Path: Saying No, Trusting Your Intuition, Index Cards, Integrity Checks, Grief, Awe, and Much More" and episode #300 "Jack Kornfield — Finding Freedom, Love, and Joy in the Present."

Please enjoy!

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Timestamps:

[00:00] Start

[05:36] Notes about this supercombo format.

[06:38] Enter Elizabeth Gilbert.

[07:04] Liz shares who Rayya Elias was and how she's remembered her in story at The Moth.

[14:53] What kind of stories and storytellers make Liz break out in applause?

[21:05] What has Liz learned from Martha Beck?

[23:49] Staying true to one's inner compass and saying "No" without remorse.

[27:03] The simple "No" via Byron Katie.

[33:07] The wisdom of the body.

[36:56] Enter Jack Kornfield.

[37:24] Jack's connection with hang gliding and paragliding.

[40:06] Jack's childhood, abusive father, and role as family peacemaker.

[45:12] "If you're going to be angry, do it right."

[47:48] Jack's transition from pre-med to Asian studies at Dartmouth.

[49:28] From hippie to Buddhist monk.

[50:57] Psychedelics' influence on Jack's spiritual path and current stance.

[59:53] Meeting Stanislav Grof.

[1:03:32] Finding and studying under Ajahn Chah.

[1:05:59] Rookie monk training in Thailand and enduring suffering.

[1:13:49] Long silence periods and out-of-body experiences.

[1:16:37] Mystical experiences aren't always pleasant.

[1:19:15] Tim's experience at Spirit Rock.

[1:20:10] Challenges during training in Thailand and Burma.

[1:24:47] "Hatred never ceases by hatred, but by love alone is healed..."

[1:29:55] Advice for deep inner work with real-life responsibilities.

[1:42:04] Compassion vs. empathy.

[1:46:19] Technology's role in developing compassion.

[1:47:26] Lovingkindness meditation for Westerners.

[1:56:04] Attending the first White House Buddhist Leadership Conference.

[1:57:59] The mission of CASEL.

[1:59:18] Introducing mindfulness practice and love as a superpower.

[2:10:11] Returning to self-discovery after derailment.

[2:15:57] Apparent derailment as necessary communication.

[2:19:17] Self-talk for managing inappropriate anger.

[2:37:21] Returning to the US to study clinical psychology.

[2:42:50] Using forgiveness to help veterans and at-risk youth.

[2:45:30] Why community support beats community apathy.

[2:49:23] Lack of significant initiation rituals in modern society.

[2:53:10] Recommended book for newcomers to Jack's work.

[2:57:48] Jack's billboard.

[2:59:02] Parting thoughts.

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