73: Disappearing Evidence and ChatGPT | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

73: Disappearing Evidence and ChatGPT | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

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What does ChatGPT reveal about the polygamy narrative? I won't give it away, but it is AMAZING! Stay tuned until the end (or skip forward to the end) so you don't miss it.

In the meantime, what is happening to the evidence that helped solidify the polygamy narrative and the assumption that Joseph MUST have been the author of polygamy? These stories are amazing! It is definitely time to reassess our certainty.


Links:

ChatGPT: https://chat.openai.com/

William Clayton’s Journal (worth reading!): https://archive.org/stream/WilliamClaytonJournal/WilliamClaytonJournal_djvu.txt

Orange Wight Autobiography: http://boap.org/LDS/Early-Saints/OWight.html

Helen Mar Kimball story of Flora (pgs 407-408): https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/rsc/id/42488

Brian Hales version of Flora: https://josephsmithspolygamy.org/plural-wives-overview/flora-ann-woodworth/

Josephine Lyons statement: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/eea4b82c-00ca-450e-8561-b3f238fe8115/0/0

Ugo Perego article: https://www.deseret.com/2016/6/13/20590178/joseph-smith-apparently-was-not-josephine-lyon-s-father-mormon-history-association-speaker-says

Sylvia Lyon Brian Hales page: https://josephsmithspolygamy.org/plural-wives-overview/sylvia-sessions/#link_ajs-fn-id_4-5660

Eliza and the Prophet's Gold Watch by Jenny Reeder: https://www.jstor.org/stable/23289250?read-now=1&seq=13#page_scan_tab_contents

Eliza and Brigham's relationship: https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/the-lion-and-the-lioness-brigham-young-and-eliza-r-snow/

For info on ChatGPT, hallucinations and bias search any of those terms and you will find dozens of articles.

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137: The Value of Engagement Across Ideologies

137: The Value of Engagement Across Ideologies

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Whitney Documents Episodes: (Links to all documents in episode descriptions) Part 3 - The Blessing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihu6lyQgvoY&t=123s Part 2 - The Letter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDjURE2udVY Part 1 - The Revelation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC7cMo8kd70&t=2s Journal of Mormon Polygamy Announcement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j61m9U0WBS4&t=6s

22 Syys 20241h 9min

136: Whitney Documents, Pt. 3 - Blessing to Sarah Ann

136: Whitney Documents, Pt. 3 - Blessing to Sarah Ann

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Blessing to Sarah Ann Whitney https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/blessing-to-sarah-ann-whitney-23-march-1843/1 Rob Fotheringham: "Evaluation of 1842 Whitney 'Revelation' " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HheHqg4c3HQ

15 Syys 20241h 53min

135: Whitney Documents, Part 2 – The Letter

135: Whitney Documents, Part 2 – The Letter

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems The collection often referred to as "the Whitney documents," which includes contemporary sources written in Joseph's own hand, is generally considered to be the strongest evidence of Joseph's polygamy. Recently multiple historians I have engaged with have gone directly to the Whitney documents to explain to me why the history of Joseph's polygamy is settled. I strongly disagree with them. But, I realized I needed to directly address the Whitney documents to explain why I and many others do not see the Whitney collection as evidence of Joseph's polygamy -- but instead as evidence of something very different. Links: Emma's efforts to avoid being followed to Joseph's hiding place https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1841-december-1842/36 Joseph's letter to Emma, August 16, 1842 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-emma-smith-16-august-1842/1 Emma's response to Joseph, August 16, 1842 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-from-emma-smith-16-august-1842/1 Joseph's letter to the Whitneys, August 18, 1842 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-newel-k-elizabeth-ann-smith-and-sarah-ann-whitney-18-august-1842/1 Emma's letters to the governor: https://ensignpeakfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/The-Lady-and-the-Governor-Emma-Hale-Smith%E2%80%99s-and-Thomas-Carlin%E2%80%99s-1842-Correspondence.pdf

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134: Gwendolyn Wyne Is Telling Our Best Story

134: Gwendolyn Wyne Is Telling Our Best Story

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Intro to Gwendolyn's latest video, "Our Best Story": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7atQ07NVd4c Watch full video: "Our Best Story" - Polygamy: An Enemy Has Done This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYuOTM7YWxU Hemlock Knots - excellent church history resource https://hemlockknots.com/

1 Syys 20242h 10min

133: Women React to Mormon Land - Part Two

133: Women React to Mormon Land - Part Two

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Mormon Land podcast episode 345: Did Joseph Smith Practice Polygamy? https://soundcloud.com/mormonland/did-joseph-smith-practice-polygamy https://open.spotify.com/episode/5h56v6PacWQW0SVuw4Q4H8?go=1&sp_cid=4032595e46cd4d53032062d8bc47f507&nd=1&dlsi=542a62d9ec144f74

25 Elo 20243h 20min

132: Updates, the Temple, and A Way Forward

132: Updates, the Temple, and A Way Forward

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems John Whitmer Historical Association Conference, Sept. 12-15, 2024 Michelle to present on Friday, Sept. 13 - Register here: https://www.jwha.info/2024-annual-conference/ Red Brick Store Correspondence w/ Church Leaders/Employees: https://132problems.org/the-mural-in-the-red-brick-store/ Remembering Emma Conference Day 1 (Michelle starts @ 3:03:25) https://youtu.be/s_fekFvqxYM?t=11004

18 Elo 20241h 37min

131: Discussing Jacob 2 with Steve Reed of OneClimbs

131: Discussing Jacob 2 with Steve Reed of OneClimbs

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems OneClimbs.com https://oneclimbs.com/ https://oneclimbs.com/2017/01/05/a-proposed-reinterpretation-of-jacob-230/ Joseph Fought Polygamy, by Richard and Pamela Price https://restorationbookstore.org/pages/joseph-smith-fought-polygamy-online

11 Elo 20242h 9min

130: Women React to Mormon Land w/ Matt Bowman and Brooke LeFevre

130: Women React to Mormon Land w/ Matt Bowman and Brooke LeFevre

Mormon Land recently followed-up the Matt Bowman's Salt Lake Tribune article with an interview of Matt and Brooke LeFevre discussing the growing numbers of "Mormon types" who no longer believe Joseph Smith practiced polygamy. Join us as we discuss the good, the bad, and the ugly of this interview. Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Judge Phillips Temple Lot Decision: https://archive.org/details/decisionofjohnfp00philrich/page/n7/mode/2up

4 Elo 20243h 7min

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