95: More Historical Malpractice - Part 2 with Whitney Horning

95: More Historical Malpractice - Part 2 with Whitney Horning

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Don't miss this one! The second half of my conversation with Whitney Horning. We respond in depth to several recent claims by Don Bradley and others, and demonstrate how to be a polygamy researcher. Stay tuned to the end for more bonus content revealing ongoing unbelievable discoveries.


Correction! In the bonus content I refer to the deed to Hyrum as "identical" to the deed to Emma and her children. I should have been more precise. The back side of the deeds are "identical" and there is much overlap on the front side, but the lots on the front side are not exactly the same. This does not in any way affect the conclusion that this deed to Hyrum is devastating to the William Clayton journal and the polygamy narrative, and I will clarify in future episodes, but I wanted to correct the record in the meantime.


Whitney Horning - Presentation Slides

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1G-mISIhxUhePkulXm1Lr7zC0R4BcL0k9/edit#slide=id.p1

(Another link to try if the first doesn't work -- please let me know if you can't access)

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1nJP2PDONn6DQjsNiwSEoGONhAcdWAiRs/edit#slide=id.p1

Whitney and Michelle on Jacob Isbell's channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMe1agseXbM&t=4s

Don Bradley on Ward Radio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2MkycIxZEE&t=2700s


Fair Mormon article on Hoffmann forgery D. Michael Quinn included in 1994

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Question:_Did_Joseph_order_Jonathan_Dunham,_head_of_the_Nauvoo_legion,_to_rescue_him%3F


They're Still Doing It video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxVtJvgvHAs&t=2s


June 11 Facebook Post

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=Michelle%20Brady%20Stone%20brian%20hales


Franklin D. Richards Scriptural Items Notebook pg 38

https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/eb4d0aeb-2c26-4a40-a08a-7a1e8cc0503d/0/37


Hyrum Smith July 12, 1843 Deed

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/deed-to-hyrum-smith-12-july-1843-draft/1


Emma Smith July 12, 1843 Deed

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/deed-to-emma-smith-and-others-12-july-1843-draft/1


* 2:16:12 -- The source for the story of Emma and Joseph weeping together with Clayton serving as their mediator is from William Clayton's extremely problematic July 13, 1843 journal entry.

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55: Contesting New Mormon History w/ John Hajicek | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

55: Contesting New Mormon History w/ John Hajicek | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems John Hajicek has spent 50 years deeply immersed in early LDS material culture, developing a level of mastery that is very rare. He has acquired over 250,000 artifacts, including books, pamphlets, articles, letters, hymnals, and other physical items from our shared LDS history. It was such a treat to get to hear his incredible insights! You can follow John on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/johnhajicek/ And at Mormonism.com

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54: Joseph wasn't a polygamist! | 132 Problems Episode: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

54: Joseph wasn't a polygamist! | 132 Problems Episode: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems Join this deep dive into Joseph's supposed polygamy. It is time! Links: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/128?lang=eng https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/doctrine-and-covenants-1844/422 Voice of Innocence: https://www.churchhistorianspress.org/the-first-fifty-years-of-relief-society/part-1/1-10?lang=eng Hyrum Smith Speech: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/minutes-and-discourses-6-9-april-1844-as-reported-by-thomas-bullock/33#full-transcript Joseph Smith last speech: https://byustudies.byu.edu/online-chapters/volume-6-chapter-19/ (pgs. 408-412) https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/discourse-26-may-1844-as-compiled-by-leo-hawkins/1 James Whitehead Testimony: http://www.olivercowdery.com/smithhome/1880s-1890s/1893_TLot.htm?fbclid=IwAR2fhLQmbHK6Og0rrjhhF8XI-vrW8dv06gLk4AH4Wv-VhbdVJQKzzdB9UoE William Clayton affidavit: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/d091310b-4d88-43dd-a141-bb7ec1579934/0/0 Isn't one wife enough? : Young, Kimball, 1893-1972 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive George Q Cannon quote: Oct 9, 1869, JoD 13:pg 207

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53: Revisiting Joseph's Polygamy w/ Dr. Todd Compton | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

53: Revisiting Joseph's Polygamy w/ Dr. Todd Compton | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems I appreciate Todd Compton sharing his time, training, and insight. I also appreciate his knowledge, honesty, kindness and humilty. http://toddmcompton.com/ https://www.amazon.com/stores/Todd-Compton/author/B001HOF5MG?ref=ap_rdr&store_ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true

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52: Discovering Joseph Smith with Whitney Horning | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

52: Discovering Joseph Smith with Whitney Horning | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems I loved sitting down again with Whitney Horning, author of Joseph Smith Revealed, A Faithful Telling and Hyrum Smith, A Prophet Unsung. She shares her journey of struggling with the stories of polygamy and working to discover truth, both about polygamy and Joseph Smith. Enjoy!

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51: Building Faith, Peace & Partnership w/ Dr Julie Hanks | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

51: Building Faith, Peace & Partnership w/ Dr Julie Hanks | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems So thrilled to have the opportunity to talk to Dr. Julie Hanks. I hope all will benefit from her wisdom, insight, expertise, faith and compassion. I know I did. For further engagement or connection with Dr. Hanks: https://centerforpartnership.org/news-events/partnershipfamiliesjuliehanks/ http://www.partnershipfamilies.com/ https://pubs.lib.umn.edu/index.php/ijps/article/view/100 https://www.drjuliehanks.com/ https://wasatchfamilytherapy.com/

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50: Polygamy Narrative vs. Reality | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

50: Polygamy Narrative vs. Reality | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems The current church narrative found in the gospel topics essays is problematic. It is far from comprehensive or transparent, but beyond that, it is not consistent with past church teachings, the historical sources, the scriptures, or many current church teachings and statements from recent leaders. Yet, despite the fact that the things claimed in the essays have not been spoken by leaders, taught in general conference, and certainly not accepted as church doctrine, some claim that church members in good standing may not publicly disagree with them. Let's look at some of the problems with that claim, and just a few of the problems with the narrative -- namely, the claim that reasons for polygamy were never given and that polygamy was not taught to be necessary for exaltation. Sources: Brigham Young, vision, Feb. 17, 1847, in Brigham Young Office Files, 1832–1878, Church History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah https://history.churchofjesuschrist.org/content/praise-to-the-man?lang=eng President Nelson quotes: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2018/04/revelation-for-the-church-revelation-for-our-lives?lang=eng https://twitter.com/NelsonRussellM/status/1232682006305103872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1232682006305103872%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thechurchnews.com%2Fleaders-and-ministry%2F2020-02-26%2Fpresident-nelson-restoration-invitation-2020-hearhim-joseph-smith-first-vision-bicentennial-175302 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/inspiration/how-do-you-hearhim-a-special-invitation?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2020/04/45nelson?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/plural-marriage-in-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo?lang=eng August 1852 Special Conference, Orson Pratt, pg 14-22, Brigham Young, pg 25-26 https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/17334 Disavowal of Pratt's "First Cause": https://newspapers.lib.utah.edu/details?id=2598412 Brigham Young July 14, 1855 (JoD 3:266) Brigham Young July 6, 1862 (JoD 9:322) Brigham Young August 19,1866 (JoD 11:269) Joseph F. Smith July 7, 1878 (JoD 20:24-31) Scriptures: Moroni 7: 15-16 Raise up seed: 1 Nephi 7:1, Jacob 2:25 - 27 3 Nephi 26:10 Deuteronomy 25:5 Genesis 38

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49: Do I need to be "Excommunicated"?! -- w/ Brian Hales | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

49: Do I need to be "Excommunicated"?! -- w/ Brian Hales | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems This one is intense! Please share your thoughts!

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48: When Children Go Astray (My cousin Mark Hofmann) | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

48: When Children Go Astray (My cousin Mark Hofmann) | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

Mark Hofmann, Mormonism's forger and bomber, is perhaps the most infamous member of the church. He also happens to be my cousin. My oldest sister joins me to discuss her experiences growing up with him, and our perspectives on him and his wonderful family. More importantly, she shares her own experiences and revelations about mothering children who go different ways.

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