71: One "Polygamy Denier's" Response to Bill Reel, RFM and Brian Hales | 132 Problems

71: One "Polygamy Denier's" Response to Bill Reel, RFM and Brian Hales | 132 Problems

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Multiple podcasts hit pretty hard last week against people who have come to believe that polygamy did not originate with Joseph Smith. As has always been the case, although they agree on almost nothing else, both those who hate Joseph Smith and think the worst of him, and those who claim to love him and believe they are following in his name, agree on this one central point -- that polygamy started with Joseph Smith.

Both sides are convinced that theirs is the only tenable position. I disagree.

In this intimidating episode I do my best to lay out the situation as I see it, explain the basics of my "polygamy denying" perspective, and respond directly to the key points of their presentations.


Links:

Saints Unscripted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMj_lxPZIT0&t=1238s

Mormonism Live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV3f57VZuqo&t=338s

The Peace Maker: https://archive.org/details/GR_2186/mode/2up?view=theater

Times and Seasons Notice: https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/8401

Oct. 5 Journal Entries: Original: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1842-june-1844-book-3-15-july-1843-29-february-1844/123

Altered for Publication: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/faenrandir/a_careful_examination/d6ee663e933a8cb01b79ddc33fe1232ac3ef12e5/documents/polygamy/oct5-1843/original-journal-entry-anonymous.jpg

After Alterations: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-e-1-1-july-1843-30-april-1844/118

Hyrum's April 8, 1843 sermon (Thomas Bullock unedited transcript -- removed from JSP): https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/daa151c4-7bae-49d0-8cef-d281a70f1d32/0/32

Same speech after alterations (Still available on JSP, and has already been passed off as the original) https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-e-1-1-july-1843-30-april-1844/356

Joseph Smith's letter to the RS as recorded in the RS Minutes: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/nauvoo-relief-society-minute-book/108#full-transcript

Same letter after alterations: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-emma-smith-and-the-relief-society-31-march-1842/3#full-transcript

Joseph's letter to Parley Pratt about keeping families together: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-parley-p-pratt-and-others-12-june-1842/1#full-transcript

Brigham Young, Sept 21, 1856, JoD vol. 4, pp. 51-57

Heber C. Kimball, Nov. 9, 1856, JoD vol. 4, pp. 80-83

Rob Fotheringham's Happiness Letter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWD1XwVr6AA&t=1204s

Melissa Lott Family Bible: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/7226d36f-b3a5-4c0e-9d0c-33d87d46ffb4/0/3

Michael Shirmer Ted Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_6-iVz1R0o

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7: The Emergence of Section 132 | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

7: The Emergence of Section 132 | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems This episode takes a deep dive into the 1852 special conference where polygamy and 132 were revealed. We’ll discuss what was asked of the Saints and consider their actual experiences, and we’ll compare the contrasting prophecies surrounding plural marriage as a means to discover truth. Polygamy denials: https://mormonpolygamydocuments.org/chart-twenty-three-polygamy-denials/ Joseph Smith, "I am bold to declare I have taught all the strong doctrines publicly, and always teach stronger doctrines in public than in private." https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/discourse-16-june-1844-a-as-reported-by-thomas-bullock/1 August, 1852, Special Conference where 132 was revealed: https://archive.org/details/specialconferenc00chur/page/26/mode/2up

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6: Abraham's Polygamy -- 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

6: Abraham's Polygamy -- 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

Please consider supporting this podcast: Patreon Link: https://www.patreon.com/132Problems A deep dive into the story of Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar, which is the foundation for all claims of God ordained polygamy. Genesis 11-22 Genesis 12:19 - various translations: https://biblehub.com/niv/genesis/12-19.htm

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5: Doctrine & Covenants Teachings on Marriage -- 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

5: Doctrine & Covenants Teachings on Marriage -- 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

Please consider supporting this podcast: Patreon Link: https://www.patreon.com/132Problems We look at the totality of teachings on marriage in the revelations of the restoration and learn the history of the Doctrine and Covenants, including the original section 101. Links: History of the D&C: https://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Doctrine_and_Covenants_Editions https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1984/12/the-story-of-the-doctrine-and-covenants?lang=engOriginal Section 101: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/doctrine-and-covenants-1835/259#full-transcript Meeting to accept the 1835 Doctrine and Covenants: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/minutes-17-august-1835/7#full-transcript Trial of Your Faith by Elder Anderson, October 2012: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2012/10/trial-of-your-faith?lang=eng

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4: Book of Mormon Evidence of Polygamy | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

4: Book of Mormon Evidence of Polygamy | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

Please consider supporting this podcast: Patreon Link: https://www.patreon.com/132Problems What does the Book of Mormon have to say about marriage and polygamy? (It might just be more than you realized.) Scriptures referenced: Jacob 2:24-35 Jacob 3:5-7, 12-13 Mosiah 11:2-4 Mosiah 19:9-12 Ephesians 5:25 Mosiah 20:1-5 Ether 10:5-7 3 Nephi 26:6-10 D&C 84:54-58 D&C 93:39 Links: Mothers of the largest families: https://www.therichest.com/the-biggest/10-mothers-who-gave-birth-to-the-most-children-ever/ TLC Clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16A4YMlVs-A

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3: God's Establishment of Marriage | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

3: God's Establishment of Marriage | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

Please consider supporting this podcast: Patreon Link: https://www.patreon.com/132Problems We're diving into God's establishment of marriage in Genesis, Moses, and Abraham. Where did marriage come from? What did God create and command? When did polygamy begin?

10 Juli 202223min

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2: The Loophole (Jacob 2:30) | 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

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