109: Escaping Utah - Part 1 with Cheryl and Dan Clute

109: Escaping Utah - Part 1 with Cheryl and Dan Clute

Incredible timing! News broke about the Kirtland temple and other properties and manuscripts on Tuesday, and Cheryl and Dan and I already had this interview scheduled for Wednesday morning!

Cheryl and Dan have been collecting stories about the many people who had to flee early Utah for their lives. I invited them to come on and share some of them. Of course, we also spent time discussing the breathtaking news of the sold properties.


Links from Cheryl and Dan:

Firsthand accounts of saints who went to Utah with Brigham Young.

1). Mark H. Forscutt: Diaries compiled by his daughter Ruby C. Faunce

Reference: The Saints Herald, January 16-May 1, 1934

www.latterdaytruth.org

Or from Paul Ludy at www.RLDSBooks.blogspot.com

Email at PaulVLudy@gmail.com or www.restorationbookstore.org

2). John Brush: (From his diaries.)

Reference: Autumn Leaves, January – June 1891

www.latterdaytruth.org

Or from Paul Ludy at www.RLDSBooks.blogspot.com

Email at PaulVLudy@gmail.com or www.restorationbookstore.org

3). J. C. Clapp:

Reference: Autumn Leaves, November 1907 Vol. 20 No: 11 pages 481-485

December 1907 Vol. 20 No: 12 pages 537-554

www.latterdaytruth.org

Or from Paul Ludy at www.RLDSBooks.blogspot.com

Email at PaulVLudy@gmail.com or www.restorationbookstore.org

4). Autobiography of Elder Charles Derry www.restorationbookstore.com

“Charles Derry’s Reasons for Leaving Utah” www.latterdaytruth.org

Reference: Saints Herald Vol. 2 June 1862-- pages 268-274; March 1861—1862.

The Saints Advocate, April 1883 Vol. 5 No. 10 pages 305-310.

5). John and Mary Griffith…Book called: “The Vindicator” written by John and Mary Griffith’s

Granddaughter Iris Griffith from their diaries.

References: True Latterday Saints Herald, January 1, 1872

(This is book is out of print but it may be purchased from Paul Ludy at:

www.RLDSBooks.blogspot.com or by Email at PaulVLudy@gmail.com)

6). Gomer T. Griffith An Autobiography (book) www.restorationbookstore.com

Reference: The Saints Herald November 2, 1927—February 1, 1928

Saints Herald November 2, 1927 Vol. 74 No: 44 pages 1276-1279

Saints Herald December 7, 1927 Vol. 74 No: 49 pages 1430-1433

7). The Memoirs of President W. W. Blair (page 184) www.restorationbookstore.com

8). Five book series written by Pearl Wilcox from 1972—1989, these books were published by

RLDS Herald House but are out of print. You may be able to purchase them from Paul Ludy at

www.RLDSBooks.blogspot.com or by Email at PaulVLudy@gmail.com

A). Regathering of the Scattered Saints in Wisconsin and Illinois by Pearl Wilcox

David Powell, page: 50

Morris Families to Utah, pages: 162-163

Elijah B. Webb, page: 142

B). Roots of the Reorganized Latter Day Saints in Southern Iowa by Pearl Wilcox

The first chapter is all documented Handcart Testimonies.

Henry Kemp, page 43-44

David Chambers Jr., page 41

Hemming Hansen, pages 45-48

John and Elizabeth Hanbury, page 49

Andrew Hall, page 53

Carliles, pages 34-36

Fredrick Hansen, pages 37-40 or on www.latterdaytruth.org Journal of History 1916

9). Charles Wesley Wandell:

Biography of Charles Wesley Wandell

References: Journal of History, October 1910 www.latterdaytruth.org

Joseph Smith Fought Polygamy Volume 1 pages 234-236.

www.restorationbookstore.com

The Saints Advocate, Plano, Illinois November 1878 Vol. 1 No: 5

The Saints Advocate August 1881 Vol. 4 No: 2 pages 113-114

The Saints Advocate December 1883 Vol. 6 No: 6 on John D. Lee

**Charles Wesley Wandell wrote under the name of Argus, sharing his firsthand knowledge that after Joseph and Hyrum Smith were murdered that Willard Richards and Brigham Young rewrote or changed Joseph’s personal writings and papers.

10). J. W. Coward’s Letter

References: The Saints Advocate December 1881 Vol. 1 No: 6 page 148

March 1882 Vol. 4 No: 9 pages 183-184

11). Memories of Childhood by (SR.) L. J. Hartman

Reference: Autumn Leaves starting in September 1910

www.latterdaytruth.org

12). Unhappy Polygamy

Reference: The Saints Advocate (Volumes 5-8)

October 1883 Vol. 6 No: 375-376

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137: The Value of Engagement Across Ideologies

137: The Value of Engagement Across Ideologies

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Whitney Documents Episodes: (Links to all documents in episode descriptions) Part 3 - The Blessing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihu6lyQgvoY&t=123s Part 2 - The Letter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDjURE2udVY Part 1 - The Revelation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC7cMo8kd70&t=2s Journal of Mormon Polygamy Announcement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j61m9U0WBS4&t=6s

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136: Whitney Documents, Pt. 3 - Blessing to Sarah Ann

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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Blessing to Sarah Ann Whitney https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/blessing-to-sarah-ann-whitney-23-march-1843/1 Rob Fotheringham: "Evaluation of 1842 Whitney 'Revelation' " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HheHqg4c3HQ

15 Sep 20241h 53min

135: Whitney Documents, Part 2 – The Letter

135: Whitney Documents, Part 2 – The Letter

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems The collection often referred to as "the Whitney documents," which includes contemporary sources written in Joseph's own hand, is generally considered to be the strongest evidence of Joseph's polygamy. Recently multiple historians I have engaged with have gone directly to the Whitney documents to explain to me why the history of Joseph's polygamy is settled. I strongly disagree with them. But, I realized I needed to directly address the Whitney documents to explain why I and many others do not see the Whitney collection as evidence of Joseph's polygamy -- but instead as evidence of something very different. Links: Emma's efforts to avoid being followed to Joseph's hiding place https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1841-december-1842/36 Joseph's letter to Emma, August 16, 1842 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-emma-smith-16-august-1842/1 Emma's response to Joseph, August 16, 1842 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-from-emma-smith-16-august-1842/1 Joseph's letter to the Whitneys, August 18, 1842 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-newel-k-elizabeth-ann-smith-and-sarah-ann-whitney-18-august-1842/1 Emma's letters to the governor: https://ensignpeakfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/The-Lady-and-the-Governor-Emma-Hale-Smith%E2%80%99s-and-Thomas-Carlin%E2%80%99s-1842-Correspondence.pdf

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134: Gwendolyn Wyne Is Telling Our Best Story

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133: Women React to Mormon Land - Part Two

133: Women React to Mormon Land - Part Two

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Mormon Land podcast episode 345: Did Joseph Smith Practice Polygamy? https://soundcloud.com/mormonland/did-joseph-smith-practice-polygamy https://open.spotify.com/episode/5h56v6PacWQW0SVuw4Q4H8?go=1&sp_cid=4032595e46cd4d53032062d8bc47f507&nd=1&dlsi=542a62d9ec144f74

25 Aug 20243h 20min

132: Updates, the Temple, and A Way Forward

132: Updates, the Temple, and A Way Forward

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems John Whitmer Historical Association Conference, Sept. 12-15, 2024 Michelle to present on Friday, Sept. 13 - Register here: https://www.jwha.info/2024-annual-conference/ Red Brick Store Correspondence w/ Church Leaders/Employees: https://132problems.org/the-mural-in-the-red-brick-store/ Remembering Emma Conference Day 1 (Michelle starts @ 3:03:25) https://youtu.be/s_fekFvqxYM?t=11004

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131: Discussing Jacob 2 with Steve Reed of OneClimbs

131: Discussing Jacob 2 with Steve Reed of OneClimbs

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems OneClimbs.com https://oneclimbs.com/ https://oneclimbs.com/2017/01/05/a-proposed-reinterpretation-of-jacob-230/ Joseph Fought Polygamy, by Richard and Pamela Price https://restorationbookstore.org/pages/joseph-smith-fought-polygamy-online

11 Aug 20242h 9min

130: Women React to Mormon Land w/ Matt Bowman and Brooke LeFevre

130: Women React to Mormon Land w/ Matt Bowman and Brooke LeFevre

Mormon Land recently followed-up the Matt Bowman's Salt Lake Tribune article with an interview of Matt and Brooke LeFevre discussing the growing numbers of "Mormon types" who no longer believe Joseph Smith practiced polygamy. Join us as we discuss the good, the bad, and the ugly of this interview. Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Judge Phillips Temple Lot Decision: https://archive.org/details/decisionofjohnfp00philrich/page/n7/mode/2up

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