129: The Whitney Documents Part One - The "Revelation"

129: The Whitney Documents Part One - The "Revelation"

The collection often referred to as "the Whitney documents," which includes contemporary sources written in Joseph's own hand, is generally considered to be the strongest evidence of Joseph's polygamy. Recently multiple historians I have engaged with have gone directly to the Whitney documents to explain to me why the history of Joseph's polygamy is settled.

I strongly disagree with them. But, I realized I needed to directly address the Whitney documents to explain why I and many others (hopefully including those who watch this episode) do not see the Whitney collection as evidence of Joseph's polygamy -- but instead as evidence of something very different.


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Links:

Short: Joseph's October 5, 1843, Journal Entry

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dSBPzR-UUsQ

Sarah Ann Whitney Affidavit: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/ffbd6561-0e91-4a83-b15c-a0b631ed157e/0/0?lang=eng

Elizabeth Ann Whitney Affidavit published in Women’s Exponent, A Leaf From an Autobiography:

https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/WomansExp/id/6381/rec/150

https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/63cd55be-ca21-456f-ac38-eee28d2a8b98/0/0

Joseph C. Kingsbury Reminiscent Autobiography: https://archive.org/details/journal-of-joseph-c-kingsbury/page/n15/mode/2up

Orson F. Whitney biography of Newel K. Whitney: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/98b21302-fbb8-437e-887b-9dd52340be1b/0/0

Whitney Revelation: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/revelation-27-july-1842/1#source-note

Joseph Smith Letter to Newel and Elizabeth Whitney: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-newel-k-elizabeth-ann-smith-and-sarah-ann-whitney-18-august-1842/1

Sarah Ann Whitney Blessing: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-newel-k-elizabeth-ann-smith-and-sarah-ann-whitney-18-august-1842/1

Sarah Ann Whitney, Joseph C. Kingsbury Marriage Receipt: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/marriage-certificate-for-joseph-kingsbury-and-sarah-ann-whitney-29-april-1843/1

Nauvoo Marriage Registry, Sarah Ann Whitney/Joseph C. Kingsbury Entry: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/nauvoo-marriage-record-february-1842-january-1846/20

Nauvoo Marriage Ordinance:

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/nauvoo-marriage-record-february-1842-january-1846/10

Nauvoo City Council Minutes 2/17/42: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/ordinance-17-february-1842/1

Newel K. Whitney Account Book (pg 100): https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/SCMisc/id/67281 https://user.xmission.com/~research/family/strange.htm#23

October 1, 1842 Times and Seasons Affidavits:

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/times-and-seasons-1-october-1842/13

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/times-and-seasons-1-october-1842/14

Emmaline B. Wells Journals:

https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/p15999coll20/id/22879/rec/2

https://www.churchhistorianspress.org/emmeline-b-wells/1870s/1875/1875-05?lang=eng

Edward Tullidge, Women of Mormondom: https://archive.org/details/womenofmormondom00tullrich/page/368/mode/2up

Elizabeth Ann Whitney deed: https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/SCMisc/id/62022

Todd Compton Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMvvmjvQA9w

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137: The Value of Engagement Across Ideologies

137: The Value of Engagement Across Ideologies

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Whitney Documents Episodes: (Links to all documents in episode descriptions) Part 3 - The Blessing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihu6lyQgvoY&t=123s Part 2 - The Letter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDjURE2udVY Part 1 - The Revelation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC7cMo8kd70&t=2s Journal of Mormon Polygamy Announcement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j61m9U0WBS4&t=6s

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136: Whitney Documents, Pt. 3 - Blessing to Sarah Ann

136: Whitney Documents, Pt. 3 - Blessing to Sarah Ann

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Blessing to Sarah Ann Whitney https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/blessing-to-sarah-ann-whitney-23-march-1843/1 Rob Fotheringham: "Evaluation of 1842 Whitney 'Revelation' " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HheHqg4c3HQ

15 Sep 20241h 53min

135: Whitney Documents, Part 2 – The Letter

135: Whitney Documents, Part 2 – The Letter

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems The collection often referred to as "the Whitney documents," which includes contemporary sources written in Joseph's own hand, is generally considered to be the strongest evidence of Joseph's polygamy. Recently multiple historians I have engaged with have gone directly to the Whitney documents to explain to me why the history of Joseph's polygamy is settled. I strongly disagree with them. But, I realized I needed to directly address the Whitney documents to explain why I and many others do not see the Whitney collection as evidence of Joseph's polygamy -- but instead as evidence of something very different. Links: Emma's efforts to avoid being followed to Joseph's hiding place https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1841-december-1842/36 Joseph's letter to Emma, August 16, 1842 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-emma-smith-16-august-1842/1 Emma's response to Joseph, August 16, 1842 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-from-emma-smith-16-august-1842/1 Joseph's letter to the Whitneys, August 18, 1842 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-newel-k-elizabeth-ann-smith-and-sarah-ann-whitney-18-august-1842/1 Emma's letters to the governor: https://ensignpeakfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/The-Lady-and-the-Governor-Emma-Hale-Smith%E2%80%99s-and-Thomas-Carlin%E2%80%99s-1842-Correspondence.pdf

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134: Gwendolyn Wyne Is Telling Our Best Story

134: Gwendolyn Wyne Is Telling Our Best Story

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Intro to Gwendolyn's latest video, "Our Best Story": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7atQ07NVd4c Watch full video: "Our Best Story" - Polygamy: An Enemy Has Done This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYuOTM7YWxU Hemlock Knots - excellent church history resource https://hemlockknots.com/

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133: Women React to Mormon Land - Part Two

133: Women React to Mormon Land - Part Two

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Mormon Land podcast episode 345: Did Joseph Smith Practice Polygamy? https://soundcloud.com/mormonland/did-joseph-smith-practice-polygamy https://open.spotify.com/episode/5h56v6PacWQW0SVuw4Q4H8?go=1&sp_cid=4032595e46cd4d53032062d8bc47f507&nd=1&dlsi=542a62d9ec144f74

25 Aug 20243h 20min

132: Updates, the Temple, and A Way Forward

132: Updates, the Temple, and A Way Forward

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems John Whitmer Historical Association Conference, Sept. 12-15, 2024 Michelle to present on Friday, Sept. 13 - Register here: https://www.jwha.info/2024-annual-conference/ Red Brick Store Correspondence w/ Church Leaders/Employees: https://132problems.org/the-mural-in-the-red-brick-store/ Remembering Emma Conference Day 1 (Michelle starts @ 3:03:25) https://youtu.be/s_fekFvqxYM?t=11004

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131: Discussing Jacob 2 with Steve Reed of OneClimbs

131: Discussing Jacob 2 with Steve Reed of OneClimbs

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems OneClimbs.com https://oneclimbs.com/ https://oneclimbs.com/2017/01/05/a-proposed-reinterpretation-of-jacob-230/ Joseph Fought Polygamy, by Richard and Pamela Price https://restorationbookstore.org/pages/joseph-smith-fought-polygamy-online

11 Aug 20242h 9min

130: Women React to Mormon Land w/ Matt Bowman and Brooke LeFevre

130: Women React to Mormon Land w/ Matt Bowman and Brooke LeFevre

Mormon Land recently followed-up the Matt Bowman's Salt Lake Tribune article with an interview of Matt and Brooke LeFevre discussing the growing numbers of "Mormon types" who no longer believe Joseph Smith practiced polygamy. Join us as we discuss the good, the bad, and the ugly of this interview. Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Judge Phillips Temple Lot Decision: https://archive.org/details/decisionofjohnfp00philrich/page/n7/mode/2up

4 Aug 20243h 7min

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