132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

DON'T MISS THIS EPISODE Please share this episode in particular. People NEED this information Please also like this video and subscribe to this podcast. Also, PLEASE help us keep this channel growing by donating if you possibly can! Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Thank you! Sister Dennis statements: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkxGYfCKiBY 21:28 - 22:45 Instagram Post: https://www.instagram.com/p/C4oZ-otMOVL/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link New York Times article: https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2024/03/27/mormon-land-what-lds-women-want/ Revelation to Emma: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/revelation-book-1/18 Original Section 101:https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/doctrine-and-covenants-1835/259 Deed to Relief Society: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/deed-to-emma-smith-13-june-1842/1 Voice of Innocence: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/19559128-fd44-45f1-9142-3e6b22432d1f/0/0 Saints Chapter 44: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/saints-v1/44-a-lamb-to-the-slaughter?lang=eng Church History Teacher's Manual: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/latter-day-saint-history-1815-1846-teacher-material/lesson-26?lang=eng Brigham 3/9.1845, Seventies: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/church-historians-press/the-first-fifty-years-of-relief-society/part-1/1-13?lang=eng Brigham 3/9/45, High Priests: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/3bee6eb3-d491-47ba-873c-f55723c0fe68/0/95 Brigham Young Teaching at the Veil: https://sunstone.org/generation-x-and-framing-gender-in-the-church/ Narcissistic Projection Videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs7I_Rfsu-A 2:10 - 2:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt-srEDzIHg 0:34 - 0:52 Brigham Young 12/24/1859: (Reference coming) John Taylor 7/17/1880: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/church-historians-press/the-first-fifty-years-of-relief-society/part-4/4-5?lang=eng Intro to Historical Drafts: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/intro/introduction-to-history-drafts-1844-1856 Brigham Young "Revising" Joseph Smith History: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-draft-21-june-8-august-1844/1 Joseph Smith History Draft: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-draft-21-june-8-august-1844/1#XCB805704-1633-4F55-9420-FABE8DA0AF8F Joseph Smith History: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-f-1-1-may-1844-8-august-1844/154 Final Entry in Joseph's Journal: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1842-june-1844-book-4-1-march-22-june-1844/172#18403301690377202721 Willard Richard's Journal: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/appendix-3-willard-richards-journal-excerpt-23-27-june-1844/1#14866005340485473580 Clayton's Extra Journal: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/appendix-4-william-clayton-daily-account-of-joseph-smiths-activities-14-22-june-1844/14 Nauvoo Legion History: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/e9b8bf29-be05-417f-8d35-1aefb4128c3f/0/28?lang=eng Joseph Smith 6/22/1844 Letter to Gov. Ford: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-thomas-ford-22-23-june-1844/1 Joseph Smith 6/23/1844 Letter to Gov. Ford: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-thomas-ford-23-june-1844/1 Joseph smith 6/23/1844 Letter to Emma: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-emma-smith-23-june-1844/1 Journal of History volume 9, “A Visit to Nauvoo in 1856” Pages 446 - 459: https://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100009.pdf Edmund C. Briggs “Early History of the Reorganization” (Published by the Price's 1998): Online Version: https://www.centerplace.org/library/books/earlyhistoryofthereorganization.htm#123

7 Apr 20242h 34min

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31 Mars 20242h 1min

I thoroughly enjoyed my third conversation with researcher Don Bradley! We discuss the content of my two-year anniversary episode, 107: God Is Not a Polygamist, and find that we have many similar views on biblical monogamy, the real meaning of Jacob 2:30, and more! Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Michelle's Anniversary Video referenced in the conversation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WXFFYd6mXA Don's presentation on levirate marriage as the basis for Joseph's polygamy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqVT-V-xX9k&t=760s Michelle's episode on Levirate marriage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK-0O28BhDg&t=45s #lds #mormon #mormons #mormonhistory #polygamy #exmo #exmormon #josephsmith #brighamyoung #josephsmithpapers #alteredhistory #revisedhistory #fakehistory #churchofjesuschrist #churchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints

24 Mars 20243h 35min

Cheryl Bruno is fascinating! Mother of 8, expert on Freemasonry and early Mormonism, maker of Mormon tarot cards, author, poet, historian, and very good friend. This presentation is altruistic. Cheryl is the first historian willing to go on the record to publicly say that we have a valid argument that Joseph was not a polygamist! Thank you, Cheryl, for your courage and honesty! But, we too often hurt ourselves by my muddying the water with arguments that are not good. She wants to help our community be able to gain more credibility by focusing on the good arguments, and letting go of the bad ones. She is doing this for us. PLEASE PAY ATTENTION! Links: Method Infinite: Freemasonry and the Mormon Restoration, by Cheryl L. Bruno, Joe Steve Swick III, Nicholas S. Literski: https://amzn.to/493344S Secret Covenants: New Insights on Early Mormon Polygamy, by Cheryl L. Bruno (Editor): https://amzn.to/3TEAOkN Cheryl Bruno Response to Brian Hales: https://www.academia.edu/4857759/Joseph_Smiths_Polygamy_A_Response_to_Brian_Hales Cheryl and my discussion on Brian Hales and Steven Pynakker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1jINDIriBs&t=2988s #lds #mormon #mormons #mormonhistory #polygamy #exmo #exmormon #josephsmith #brighamyoung #josephsmithpapers #alteredhistory #revisedhistory #fakehistory #churchofjesuschrist #churchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints #freemason #masonic

17 Mars 20242h 50min

Incredible timing! News broke about the Kirtland temple and other properties and manuscripts on Tuesday, and Cheryl and Dan and I already had this interview scheduled for Wednesday morning! Cheryl and Dan have been collecting stories about the many people who had to flee early Utah for their lives. I invited them to come on and share some of them. Of course, we also spent time discussing the breathtaking news of the sold properties. Links from Cheryl and Dan: Firsthand accounts of saints who went to Utah with Brigham Young. 1). Mark H. Forscutt: Diaries compiled by his daughter Ruby C. Faunce Reference: The Saints Herald, January 16-May 1, 1934 www.latterdaytruth.org Or from Paul Ludy at www.RLDSBooks.blogspot.com Email at PaulVLudy@gmail.com or www.restorationbookstore.org 2). John Brush: (From his diaries.) Reference: Autumn Leaves, January – June 1891 www.latterdaytruth.org Or from Paul Ludy at www.RLDSBooks.blogspot.com Email at PaulVLudy@gmail.com or www.restorationbookstore.org 3). J. C. Clapp: Reference: Autumn Leaves, November 1907 Vol. 20 No: 11 pages 481-485 December 1907 Vol. 20 No: 12 pages 537-554 www.latterdaytruth.org Or from Paul Ludy at www.RLDSBooks.blogspot.com Email at PaulVLudy@gmail.com or www.restorationbookstore.org 4). Autobiography of Elder Charles Derry www.restorationbookstore.com “Charles Derry’s Reasons for Leaving Utah” www.latterdaytruth.org Reference: Saints Herald Vol. 2 June 1862-- pages 268-274; March 1861—1862. The Saints Advocate, April 1883 Vol. 5 No. 10 pages 305-310. 5). John and Mary Griffith…Book called: “The Vindicator” written by John and Mary Griffith’s Granddaughter Iris Griffith from their diaries. References: True Latterday Saints Herald, January 1, 1872 (This is book is out of print but it may be purchased from Paul Ludy at: www.RLDSBooks.blogspot.com or by Email at PaulVLudy@gmail.com) 6). Gomer T. Griffith An Autobiography (book) www.restorationbookstore.com Reference: The Saints Herald November 2, 1927—February 1, 1928 Saints Herald November 2, 1927 Vol. 74 No: 44 pages 1276-1279 Saints Herald December 7, 1927 Vol. 74 No: 49 pages 1430-1433 7). The Memoirs of President W. W. Blair (page 184) www.restorationbookstore.com 8). Five book series written by Pearl Wilcox from 1972—1989, these books were published by RLDS Herald House but are out of print. You may be able to purchase them from Paul Ludy at www.RLDSBooks.blogspot.com or by Email at PaulVLudy@gmail.com A). Regathering of the Scattered Saints in Wisconsin and Illinois by Pearl Wilcox David Powell, page: 50 Morris Families to Utah, pages: 162-163 Elijah B. Webb, page: 142 B). Roots of the Reorganized Latter Day Saints in Southern Iowa by Pearl Wilcox The first chapter is all documented Handcart Testimonies. Henry Kemp, page 43-44 David Chambers Jr., page 41 Hemming Hansen, pages 45-48 John and Elizabeth Hanbury, page 49 Andrew Hall, page 53 Carliles, pages 34-36 Fredrick Hansen, pages 37-40 or on www.latterdaytruth.org Journal of History 1916 9). Charles Wesley Wandell: Biography of Charles Wesley Wandell References: Journal of History, October 1910 www.latterdaytruth.org Joseph Smith Fought Polygamy Volume 1 pages 234-236. www.restorationbookstore.com The Saints Advocate, Plano, Illinois November 1878 Vol. 1 No: 5 The Saints Advocate August 1881 Vol. 4 No: 2 pages 113-114 The Saints Advocate December 1883 Vol. 6 No: 6 on John D. Lee **Charles Wesley Wandell wrote under the name of Argus, sharing his firsthand knowledge that after Joseph and Hyrum Smith were murdered that Willard Richards and Brigham Young rewrote or changed Joseph’s personal writings and papers. 10). J. W. Coward’s Letter References: The Saints Advocate December 1881 Vol. 1 No: 6 page 148 March 1882 Vol. 4 No: 9 pages 183-184 11). Memories of Childhood by (SR.) L. J. Hartman Reference: Autumn Leaves starting in September 1910 www.latterdaytruth.org 12). Unhappy Polygamy Reference: The Saints Advocate (Volumes 5-8) October 1883 Vol. 6 No: 375-376

10 Mars 20241h 44min

Join Michelle for the next live broadcast and call-in show where you can get your questions answered live. Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode!Questions in this episode by timestamp:0:00 Intro1:25 Why was the LDS Church willing to release the Joseph Smith Papers?3:10 Are “polygamy deniers” being deceived?4:55 What do you think of the upcoming Joseph Smith biography?7:05 What do your local leaders think of your podcast?9:15 Where should I start in looking at firsthand sources?11:30 Insights on the “unhallowed hand” Joseph foresaw17:25 How can we throw out the bathwater but keep the baby?27:35 Is there efficacy in the temple ordinances?37:05 What do we know about Joseph’s presidential candidacy?38:15 What do you know about Maria Jane Woodward?42:05 Can you compare the early sealing ceremony with the current one?42:35 Thank you for helping me find the truth about Joseph Smith47:55 Polygamy and LGBT issues53:20 What are your views on paying tithing to the Church?56:20 What do you think of the heinous actions of Bishop Snow in early Utah?1:02:00 Do you think same-sex unions will exist in the Celestial Kingdom?1:07:25 My girlfriend is concerned about the polygamous history of my church1:17:25 What are your thoughts on the Book of Abraham?1:22:35 Why don’t we just follow the gospel as described in The Book of Mormon?1:24:30 Why would the LDS Church be more legitimate than other factions?1:27:20 Ann waited 60 YEARS to understand how Joseph could have written D&C 1321:33:55 Why do the Nauvoo Expositor affidavits contain language found in D&C 132?1:41:55 What evidence would persuade you that Joseph was a polygamist?1:47:15 What are your thoughts on baptism for the dead?1:50:15 What are your thoughts on the Word of Wisdom?1:53:55 Which episodes have been the most fun or spiritual for you?1:55:15 I’ve been sealed to three women, and it feels completely wrong1:59:00 Do you think the daughters of Zion are branches of the restoration?2:00:55 Why did God command Hagar to return to Abram and Sarai?2:02:55 How does polygamy injure the male-female balance?2:08:35 Ether 4:6 – We won’t get the sealed portion until we’re clean of iniquityThanks for watching!Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problems

3 Mars 20242h 14min

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Links: Worldwide Devotional for Young Adults: A Face to Face Event with Elder Cook https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkTHZSN3FXc Trust in the Lord, by President Dallin H. Oaks https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2019/10/17oaks?lang=eng#p1 Original D&C Section 101: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/doctrine-and-covenants-1835/259 Times and Seasons, April 1, 1844, To the Elders Abroad: (p 490) https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/8236 Letter to the Relief Society, March 31, 1842 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/nauvoo-relief-society-minute-book/109 Times and Seasons, April 1, 1842, Try the Spirits: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/times-and-seasons-1-april-1842/13 Brigham Young 9/21/1856 “A Privilege Given to all the Married Women in Utah” https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/JournalOfDiscourses3/id/704 Brigham Young 9/21/1856 on blood atonement https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/JournalOfDiscourses3/id/706 Brigham Young 2/8/1857 on blood atonement https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/JournalOfDiscourses3/id/539 Brigham Young 3/16/1856 on blood atonement https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/JournalOfDiscourses3/id/128 Heber C. Kimball 2/1/1857 on receiving "thousands" of wives https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/JournalOfDiscourses3/id/550 Zina D. Huntington 1869 interview, pp 229-230 https://archive.org/details/lionoflordb00hirs/page/228/mode/2up Gospel Doctrine Teacher's Manual incorrectly quoting Jacob 2:30 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-and-church-history-gospel-doctrine-teachers-manual/lesson-31-sealed---for-time-and-for-all-eternity?lang=eng Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/old-testament-revision-2/83#x66c8a1e7-950c-4f32-9c6e-0bc6c9f11f61 https://www.centerplace.org/hs/iv/1kings.htm Brigham Young on “trading up" without a divorce https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Primary_sources/Brigham_Young/8_October_1861_discourse_on_plural_marriage Joseph Smith July 16, 1843 sermon Franklin D. Richards' record: https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Primary_sources/Brigham_Young/8_October_1861_discourse_on_plural_marriage William Clayton's record: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/discourse-16-july-1843-as-reported-by-william-clayton/1#full-transcript Levi Richards' record: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/e6774c39-facf-48b1-a55b-d08eb24ee8c6/0/11 Hyrum Smith April 8, 1844 sermon https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/daa151c4-7bae-49d0-8cef-d281a70f1d32/0/32 June 8, 1844 City Council https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/minutes-8-june-1844/3 June 10, 1844 City Council https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/minutes-10-june-1844/9 Bruce R. McConkie 8/1978 “All are Alike Unto God” https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/bruce-r-mcconkie/alike-unto-god/ Paul Reeve, Let’s Talk About Race and Priesthood (I highly recommend this!) https://amzn.to/49iq1BX

28 Feb 20242h 26min

Interview number two with Don Bradley! Don tells us about his history, experience and training as a historian, and gives us all tools to help us be the best historians we can be. Another great conversation! And I'm really looking forward to part three! Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems

28 Feb 20242h 21min