161: Brigham's Transfiguration & Joseph's Polygamy: Two Dubious Narratives

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems Links: *Changes to footnotes Gospel Topic Essay NAACP collaboration https://medium.com/@Ch_JesusChrist/locking-arms-for-racial-harmony-in-america-2f62180abf37 Joseph Letter to Oliver Cowdery: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-oliver-cowdery-circa-9-april-1836/1#historical-intro Elijah Abel License: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/license-for-elijah-able-31-march-1836/1 Joseph letter to John Bennett: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/times-and-seasons-15-march-1842/7 Joseph Smith statement to Elder Hyde: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-draft-1-january-3-march-1843/2#full-transcript Joseph Smith presidential platform: https://byustudies.byu.edu/online-chapters/volume-6-chapter-8/ John Taylor, August 28, 1881, Journal of Discourses vol 22 pg 304 Brigham Young response about Enoch Lewis: Turner, John G. Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet. 2012. Harvard University Press. Pg. 222 Jan 23, 1852 Brigham Young speech: https://archive.org/details/teachingofpresid0003fred/page/26/mode/2up?view=theater Feb 5th. 1852 Brigham Young Speech: https://archive.org/details/teachingofpresid0003fred/page/40/mode/2up?view=theater 1st Presidency statements: https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Mormonism_and_racial_issues/Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Statements Lester Bush paper: https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V08N01_13.pdf Edward Kimball paper: https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3908&context=byusq Joseph Fielding Smith 1860 quote: “The Present Status of the Lamanites Question: "The question I have is concerning the present status of the Lamanites. I know that Laman and Lemuel and their families were cursed, but to what extent is this curse carried today? Was the darker skin all or just part of the curse? Will this curse be completely forgotten and taken away by the Lord on the basis of repentance and complete acceptance of the gospel?" Answer: The dark skin was placed upon the Lamanites so that they could be distinguished from the Nephites and to keep the two peoples from mixing. The dark skin was the sign of the curse. The curse was the withdrawal of the Spirit of the Lord and the Lamanites becoming a "loathsome and filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations." (I Nephi 12:23.) The Lord commanded the Nephites not to intermarry with them, for if they did they would partake of the curse. At the time of the Savior's visit to the Nephites all of the people became united, and the curse and the dark skin which was its sign were removed. “The two peoples became one and lived in full harmony and peace for about two hundred years. There were no robbers, nor murderers, neither were there Lamanites, nor any manner of -ites; but they were in one, the children of Christ, and heirs to the kingdom of God. (IV Nephi, verse 17.) EVIL BROUGHT RETURN OF DARK SKIN After the people again forgot the Lord and dissensions arose, some of them took upon themselves the name Lamanites and the dark skin returned. When the Lamanites fully repent and sincerely receive the gospel, the Lord has promised to remove the dark skin. The Lord declared by revelation that, "before the great day of the Lord shall come, Jacob shall flourish in the wilderness, and the Lamanites shall blossom as the rose." (D. & C. 49:24.) The dark skin of those who have come into the Church is no longer to be considered a sign of the curse. Many of these converts are delightsome and have the Spirit of the Lord. Perhaps there are some Lamanites today who are losing the dark pigment. Many of the members of the Church among the Catawba Indians of the South could readily pass as of the white race; also in other parts of the South.”

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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems In this great conversation Jacqueline shares her incredibly personal journey with betrayal trauma and her profound realization that God would never design or want this for God's daughters, including Emma. Jacqueline's wisdom and insight comes through profoundly as she shares her story, including her struggles with the church and her journey of healing herself and her marriage. It helped me understand on a completely different level the horror of the standard narrative regarding Emma, and God.

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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems Ugh, the crooked camera.... Links: Pope Gregory I statement: https://my.tlu.edu/ICS/icsfs/ConversionSourcesBritFrnRussia8pg.pdf?target=e1cd546f-6a9a-4124-b399-08930007d2aa Metamorphosis: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1666/1666-h/1666-h.htm#link2H_4_0049 Lorenzo Snow talk on Esther, Oct 5, 1882, JoD vol 23, pg. 288 https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/JournalOfDiscourses3/id/1239

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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems Scripture links: 1 Nephi 1:19 -- Jacob 2:31 -- 2 Nephi 27:7 Sources: Ezra Taft Benson quote: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/teachings-of-presidents-of-the-church-ezra-taft-benson/chapter-10-flooding-the-earth-and-our-lives-with-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng Lorenzo Snow quote: Journal of Discourses Vol. 5, pgs. 315-316 https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/JournalOfDiscourses3/id/2061 Sariah Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sariah#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Book%20of%20Mormon%2C%20Sariah%20%28%2F,mother%20of%20Laman%2C%20Lemuel%2C%20Sam%2C%20and%20Nephi.%20

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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems Should the RLDS church's changed perspective on Joseph's polygamy carry weight for us in our search for truth? What convinced the RLDS church leaders to change their stance? What can we learn from them? And why should it matter? Links: Website: cofchrist.org Papers: The Changing RLDS Response to Mormon Polygamy (Richard Howard's Paper) https://www.jstor.org/stable/43200716?read-now=1&seq=2#page_scan_tab_contents The Last Smith Presidents and the Transformation of the RLDS Church: https://www.jstor.org/stable/23290537?searchText=rlds&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Drlds&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_search_gsv2%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3A2d2c69d7206bfec87f908a1e1a111005&seq=3 Jason Briggs Revelation: https://restorationbookstore.org/pages/the-importance-of-the-revelation-given-to-jason-briggs https://www.jstor.org/stable/23286597? RLDS Views of Polygamy: https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.jstor.org/stable/43200745?searchText%3Drlds%2520polygamy%26searchUri%3D%252Faction%252FdoBasicSearch%253FQuery%253Drlds%252Bpolygamy%26ab_segments%3D0%252Fbasic_search_gsv2%252Fcontrol%26refreqid%3Dfastly-default%253Ae2c3aceccd21e774c6e0e8b3e6aa58ef&sa=D&source=docs&ust=1678047283583075&usg=AOvVaw3Y37ePbNqqqBYE7lN4OIPW Adjustment or Apostasy: searchText=rlds&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Drlds&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_search_gsv2%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3Abbc1248f5d750d5512498d79fd8e4ed3 Paper on Isaac Sheen: http://www.connellodonovan.com/smith_sheen.pdf https://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Reorganized_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter_Day_Saints_(RLDS_Church) Videos: Richard Howard Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjV0KBzmoTo RLDS Documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zX4uGmYSUI Bill Russell Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGjRr_5-c8g&t=2s

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