Listener Reaction: Matthew Fenner vs. Ted Bell (Bonus)
PRETEND20 Des 2025

Listener Reaction: Matthew Fenner vs. Ted Bell (Bonus)

This bonus episode features Kim, a Patreon supporter who connected with the Matthew Fenner story...but not for the reasons you might expect. Kim's been through the criminal justice system herself. She was prosecuted, sentenced, and spent two years in jail. The conversation goes to some unexpected places. Kim discusses how small-town politics can impact a case in ways that seem backward. We talk about what jail was really like, why she now advocates for criminal justice reform, how the FBI got involved with her ex-husband's January 6th case, and how Word of Faith Fellowship's political connections might reach all the way to the White House. --- This is part of a new series of listener conversations about recent episodes. Want to be part of it? Support PRETEND on Patreon or PRETEND+ on Apple Podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 8

The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 8

Gypsy Rose Blanchard thought no one was listening. For years, everything she said from inside Chillicothe was being recorded. Now it's public. More than five hundred hours of it. Some of those recor...

29 Sep 40min

The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 7

The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 7

"I didn't f---ing get my own f---ing mother murdered just so I could live for everybody else." That is Gypsy Rose Blanchard on a recorded prison line, saying the quiet part out loud. She had taken th...

22 Sep 42min

The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 6

The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 6

There are people online right now who don't believe Dee Dee Blanchard had Munchausen by proxy. Some of them don't believe Munchausen by proxy is a real thing at all. So if the abuse wasn't real, how d...

15 Sep 41min

The Gypsy Rose Obsession, part 5

The Gypsy Rose Obsession, part 5

According to the anti-Gypsy camp, they've found it. The smoking gun. Gypsy Rose Blanchard has a rare genetic disorder, a microdeletion on chromosome 1, and depending on who you ask online, that one wo...

8 Sep 42min

The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 4

The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 4

According to the anti-Gypsy camp, they've got the receipts. Gypsy really had leukemia. She really needed that bone marrow treatment, and the feeding tube and the surgeries were all real and documented...

1 Sep 39min

The Stalker: Shelbey Fernandez Speaks, Part 23

The Stalker: Shelbey Fernandez Speaks, Part 23

It's like getting to the end of a movie and discovering the twist, then going back to the beginning because every scene means something else. That's what I've been doing all week with the Rick and Tan...

28 Aug 25min

The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 3

The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 3

Long before Gypsy Rose Blanchard's mother was murdered, the tension inside that house was already at a breaking point. The private videos between Gypsy and Nick Godejohn that nobody was supposed to se...

25 Aug 37min

The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part  2

The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 2

Her critics say Gypsy Rose Blanchard can't keep her story straight. So I sat down with her for almost three hours and asked about all of it. The pills through the feeding tube. The video where she tel...

18 Aug 42min

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