The Inverted Podcast23 Jun 2025

Inverted Product Management Podcast #2: The "Invisible Line" - the measurement of badness in your systems

🔍 Episode2: The "Invisible Line" - the measurement of badness in your systems 🔍This podcast series explores topics related to the creation and use of product in the areas of Security, privacy, online safety, infrastructure security etc. We call these people Inverted Product people because the primary goals for these product people are somehow inverted: success is "when nothing happens". There are fundamental differences in metrics, strategies, personas, communication, and road mapping from the ones of “traditional product teams” Join hosts Dana, Tom, Dario, and Williamson as they break down:✅ What is the Invisible Line?✅Can we read into the line going up (catching more badness)?✅What about the line going down (catching less badness)?✅ How should leadership interpret changes in the line?✅ Detection vs Protection - what is your goal?✅ The need for robust detections✅ Difference between the invisible line and visible line✅ How to estimate the invisible line?✅ How do you align your measurements? ✅ Are you evaluating the bad actor influence on your measurements?✅ How much effort are you putting into reporting?✅ What's in the news (Have I Been Pwned attack)➡️ Don't throw stones in a glass house➡️ Never waste a good crisisReferenced article - Troy Hunt of "Have I Been Pwned" blog of the attack: https://www.troyhunt.com/a-sneaky-phish-just-grabbed-my-mailchimp-mailing-list/Music by: BensoundLicense code: KQNVJHTWQEBEDSEA

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