The AI Jobs Disruption - Erik Brynjolfsson with Nicholas Thompson

Of all the potential risks and promises of AI, perhaps none are as immediately dire as this: How will it impact jobs? Will employers still need workers? What will it mean if the answer is “no?” Depending on who you’re talking to, the prospect of a future with fewer jobs is either liberating or terrifying. But for a more measured reaction, it helps to look at the data. Stanford economist Erik Bynjolfsson has done just that, drilling down into AI’s effects on employment, upskilling, output, and more. In a conversation with The Atlantic’s CEO Nichlas Thompson, Brynjolfsson goes through his studies of call centers and other AI-exposed fields, and the surprising findings that could bring some much-needed reality to our fears. (00:00) Introduction to Erik Brynjolfsson and his work on AI economics (02:51) How much is free AI actually worth? (05:25) Why isn’t powerful AI showing up in GDP? (06:48) Introducing GDP-B: A new metric to capture value from free digital goods (07:23) Why initial AI adoption often lowers output (09:05) Evidence of the J-curve turning: Call centers, software, and aggregate stats (14:48) Will AI create more jobs or destroy them? Understanding elastic vs. inelastic demand (19:36) Advice for students and workers: Focus on creating new value, not just efficiency (21:34) Why AI helps different skill levels differently in call centers vs. coding (25:47) The "Turing Trap": Why mimicking humans leads to substitution rather than augmentation (30:50) Four policy recommendations: Better metrics, dynamic labor markets, and human-AI complementarity (37:52) "Canaries in the Coal Mine": Data showing early job displacement in AI-exposed fields (47:08) How higher labor costs drive automation adoption (52:53) Fair compensation for creators: Designing incentives for the AI-content ecosystem (59:03) The urgent need to study the transition, not just the technology Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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