Craft Beer & Brewing Magazine Podcast22 Aug 2025

432: Ben Clayton of Test Approaches Brewing with a Chef’s Discipline and a Beginner’s Mind

Ben Clayton of Brooklyn’s Test honed his approach to brewing while working in the context of a Michelin-starred restaurant in New York City. Today, building a deep, meaningful supply chain for interesting ingredients animates him more than lighting up the beer-trading boards. Accolades have followed, and today he’s finding stories to tell in thoughtfully sourced grain and the novel ways he uses it in everything from Mexican-style lager to hazy IPA.

In this episode, Clayton discusses:

brewing Mexican-style lager with nixtamalized heirloom Oaxacan corn
blending floral corn notes with complementary Noble hop notes
using oats in multiple forms in hazy IPA
why hazy IPA might be the “perfect” beer style
tweaking pH to preserve texture, flavor, and aroma
promoting biodiversity in beer

And more.

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