The Real Catch Me If You Can: Javier Leiva on Debunking Frank Abagnale

The Real Catch Me If You Can: Javier Leiva on Debunking Frank Abagnale

What if 90% of Frank Abagnale’s claims are totally made up? In this special Dakota Spotlight episode, host James Wolner talks with Javier Leiva, creator of PRETEND, about his season The Real Catch Me If You Can. In this series, Javier debunks Abagnale’s extraordinary con-man story using court and prison records, while also bringing forward new victim testimonies. After the interview, hear the full Episode 1 as Leiva begins dismantling Abagnale’s legend and follows the trail all the way to Las Vegas, where he confronts Abagnale himself. This is the real-life Catch Me If You Can. Listen to the full series and explore everything from PRETEND wherever you find podcasts and at pretendradio.org. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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