109: Escaping Utah - Part 1 with Cheryl and Dan Clute

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems Likely the most obscure, mysterious, and least known "laws" of the restored gospel, the Law of Sarah (D&C 132:65) features prominently in polygamist doctrine. We are taking a deep dive to try to understand what this law might mean, how it has been interpreted, and how it has been applied. Warren Jeffs Law of Sarah Link (Transcript in pinned comment) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY44Lr7CUAI Links: The Seer Volume 1, Number 3, page 41 https://archive.org/details/OrsonPratt/page/n39/mode/2up Reed Smoot Case, Volume 1, page 201 https://archive.org/details/SmootHearings/Smoot_1/page/n201/mode/2up Anti-Polygamy Standard, April 1, 1882, Page 3 https://newspapers.lib.utah.edu/details?id=25123417&q=law+of+sarah&parent_i=25123414 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz2PTtUUvD4 https://archive.org/details/MS2845F0001/mode/2up https://issuu.com/utah10/docs/uhq_volume46_1978_number1/s/129529#:~:text=In%20addition%20to%20the%20normal%20problems%20that%20arise,high%20ratio%20of%20divorce%20among%20Mormon%20polygamists.%20MILLENNIALISM

9 Feb 20231h 14min

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems Book: Complex PTSD by Pete Walker Links: (If youtube disables the links, just copy and paste them into the browser) https://youtu.be/5-OsfrtlrsM?t=2538 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcdhz4zSMyA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KBpnQcY5tI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOHrK0MWcjI https://youtu.be/pPbec5eLP2I?t=758 Helen Mar Kimball: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqP9vdNmTf8 https://josephsmithspolygamy.org/plural-wives-overview/helen-mar-kimball/ https://faenrandir.github.io/a_careful_examination/helen-mar-kimball-whitney-1881-autobiography/ The Mormon Exodus—as Seen through the Horace K. Whitney Journals | Religious Studies Center (byu.edu) Scenes and Incidents in Nauvoo | Religious Studies Center (byu.edu) Juvenile Instructor » “My Father Had but One Ewe Lamb”: Joseph Smith and Helen, Heber, and Vilate Kimball

5 Feb 20231h 20min

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems D&C 105:5 And Zion cannot be built up unless it is by the principles of the law of the celestial kingdom; otherwise I cannot receive her unto myself. Rob Fatheringham Links (There are several others as well): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsQsxoND-3I&t=19s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZMxMjHPF7Q&t=12s @ 51:08 I forgot to reference this critical scripture: Mosiah 4: 21 And now, if God, who has created you, on whom you are dependent for your lives and for all that ye have and are, doth grant unto you whatsoever ye ask that is right, in faith, believing that ye shall receive, O then, how ye ought to impart of the substance that ye have one to another. 22 And if ye judge the man who putteth up his petition to you for your substance that he perish not, and condemn him, how much more just will be your condemnation for withholding your substance, which doth not belong to you but to God, to whom also your life cbelongeth; and yet ye put up no petition, nor repent of the thing which thou hast done. 23 I say unto you, wo be unto that man, for his substance shall perish with him; and now, I say these things unto those who are rich as pertaining to the things of this world. @ 1:05:05 They were in debt because of tithing they hadn't paid. We will do a future episode on Brigham Young and tithing.

29 Jan 20231h 12min

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems Women’s voices matter, and so does understanding their circumstances and their growth over time. If we want to really hear women, we need to look at the differences between their public statements and their private sentiments, and consider what influences and pressures they were facing. We also need to contrast their earlier, less experienced statements with their later statements, made after their beliefs had been shaped by painful experience. Links: Phoebe Woodruff: Admiral Jeremiah Denton blinks T-O-R-T-U-R-E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rufnWLVQcKg Mary Jane Mount Tanner Autobiography: https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=328146 Emmeline Wells Diaries: https://www.churchhistorianspress.org/emmeline-b-wells?lang=eng https://newspapers.lib.utah.edu/details?id=25123436&q=unclean+thing&parent_i=25123432 https://issuu.com/utah10/docs/uhq_volume46_1978_number1/s/129529#:~:text=In%20addition%20to%20the%20normal%20problems%20that%20arise,high%20ratio%20of%20divorce%20among%20Mormon%20polygamists.%20MILLENNIALISM

29 Jan 20231h 7min

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29 Jan 202351min

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems Everyone who is thankful to no longer be living in polygamy owes a debt of gratitude to this amazing woman, who we have never heard of. Jennie Anderson Froiseth should be remembered among Utah's greatest women. Brew up some Blue Tea, and join me for this fascinating discussion. Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems Links: https://issuu.com/utah10/docs/uhq_volume71_2003_number1/s/10312269 https://www.utahwomenshistory.org/bios/jennie-froiseth/ https://www.utahwomenshistory.org/2018/11/the-anti-polygamy-society-and-utah-womens-suffrage/ https://archives.lib.byu.edu/agents/people/8167#:~:text=John%20Horne%20Miles%20%281854-1925%29%20was%20a%20British%20convert,Miles%20on%20May%2021%2C%201854%2C%20in%20London%2C%20England https://newspapers.lib.utah.edu/search?facet_type=%22page%22&gallery=1&rows=200&parent_i=13013330#g3 https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/KW8C-SXG/john-horne-miles-1854-1925

28 Jan 20231h 4min

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28 Jan 20231h 6min

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems A frank and honest discussion between an active LDS mother and her lesbian and transgender children. Links: Elder Holland 2021 BYU speech: https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/jeffrey-r-holland/the-second-half-second-century-brigham-young-university/ Elder Holland 1980 BYU speech: https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/jeffrey-r-holland/times-trouble/ Elder Oaks Conference talk: Truth and the Plant, October 2018. (Kate thought it might be Love and the Law, but that was not correct.) https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2018/10/truth-and-the-plan?lang=eng

7 Jan 20232h 14min