109: Escaping Utah - Part 1 with Cheryl and Dan Clute

109: Escaping Utah - Part 1 with Cheryl and Dan Clute

Incredible timing! News broke about the Kirtland temple and other properties and manuscripts on Tuesday, and Cheryl and Dan and I already had this interview scheduled for Wednesday morning!

Cheryl and Dan have been collecting stories about the many people who had to flee early Utah for their lives. I invited them to come on and share some of them. Of course, we also spent time discussing the breathtaking news of the sold properties.


Links from Cheryl and Dan:

Firsthand accounts of saints who went to Utah with Brigham Young.

1). Mark H. Forscutt: Diaries compiled by his daughter Ruby C. Faunce

Reference: The Saints Herald, January 16-May 1, 1934

www.latterdaytruth.org

Or from Paul Ludy at www.RLDSBooks.blogspot.com

Email at PaulVLudy@gmail.com or www.restorationbookstore.org

2). John Brush: (From his diaries.)

Reference: Autumn Leaves, January – June 1891

www.latterdaytruth.org

Or from Paul Ludy at www.RLDSBooks.blogspot.com

Email at PaulVLudy@gmail.com or www.restorationbookstore.org

3). J. C. Clapp:

Reference: Autumn Leaves, November 1907 Vol. 20 No: 11 pages 481-485

December 1907 Vol. 20 No: 12 pages 537-554

www.latterdaytruth.org

Or from Paul Ludy at www.RLDSBooks.blogspot.com

Email at PaulVLudy@gmail.com or www.restorationbookstore.org

4). Autobiography of Elder Charles Derry www.restorationbookstore.com

“Charles Derry’s Reasons for Leaving Utah” www.latterdaytruth.org

Reference: Saints Herald Vol. 2 June 1862-- pages 268-274; March 1861—1862.

The Saints Advocate, April 1883 Vol. 5 No. 10 pages 305-310.

5). John and Mary Griffith…Book called: “The Vindicator” written by John and Mary Griffith’s

Granddaughter Iris Griffith from their diaries.

References: True Latterday Saints Herald, January 1, 1872

(This is book is out of print but it may be purchased from Paul Ludy at:

www.RLDSBooks.blogspot.com or by Email at PaulVLudy@gmail.com)

6). Gomer T. Griffith An Autobiography (book) www.restorationbookstore.com

Reference: The Saints Herald November 2, 1927—February 1, 1928

Saints Herald November 2, 1927 Vol. 74 No: 44 pages 1276-1279

Saints Herald December 7, 1927 Vol. 74 No: 49 pages 1430-1433

7). The Memoirs of President W. W. Blair (page 184) www.restorationbookstore.com

8). Five book series written by Pearl Wilcox from 1972—1989, these books were published by

RLDS Herald House but are out of print. You may be able to purchase them from Paul Ludy at

www.RLDSBooks.blogspot.com or by Email at PaulVLudy@gmail.com

A). Regathering of the Scattered Saints in Wisconsin and Illinois by Pearl Wilcox

David Powell, page: 50

Morris Families to Utah, pages: 162-163

Elijah B. Webb, page: 142

B). Roots of the Reorganized Latter Day Saints in Southern Iowa by Pearl Wilcox

The first chapter is all documented Handcart Testimonies.

Henry Kemp, page 43-44

David Chambers Jr., page 41

Hemming Hansen, pages 45-48

John and Elizabeth Hanbury, page 49

Andrew Hall, page 53

Carliles, pages 34-36

Fredrick Hansen, pages 37-40 or on www.latterdaytruth.org Journal of History 1916

9). Charles Wesley Wandell:

Biography of Charles Wesley Wandell

References: Journal of History, October 1910 www.latterdaytruth.org

Joseph Smith Fought Polygamy Volume 1 pages 234-236.

www.restorationbookstore.com

The Saints Advocate, Plano, Illinois November 1878 Vol. 1 No: 5

The Saints Advocate August 1881 Vol. 4 No: 2 pages 113-114

The Saints Advocate December 1883 Vol. 6 No: 6 on John D. Lee

**Charles Wesley Wandell wrote under the name of Argus, sharing his firsthand knowledge that after Joseph and Hyrum Smith were murdered that Willard Richards and Brigham Young rewrote or changed Joseph’s personal writings and papers.

10). J. W. Coward’s Letter

References: The Saints Advocate December 1881 Vol. 1 No: 6 page 148

March 1882 Vol. 4 No: 9 pages 183-184

11). Memories of Childhood by (SR.) L. J. Hartman

Reference: Autumn Leaves starting in September 1910

www.latterdaytruth.org

12). Unhappy Polygamy

Reference: The Saints Advocate (Volumes 5-8)

October 1883 Vol. 6 No: 375-376

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151: Repenting of Polygamy - A Conversation with Steve Baer

151: Repenting of Polygamy - A Conversation with Steve Baer

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsSteve's podcast, "Latter-day Strength"https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/latter-day-strength/id1661691405

5 Jan 1h 48min

150: What Joseph's Family Really Thought -- About POLYGAMY

150: What Joseph's Family Really Thought -- About POLYGAMY

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsLinks: Original Keystone Video (Please comment and post this response!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozVY0okFvVs T.E. Lloyd quote: http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/MO/Miss1881.htm Joseph's Vision of Alvin (D&C 137): https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/visions-21-january-1836-dc-137/1Hyrum's May 14, 1844 Sermon: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/e8d44719-6577-4503-86b8-1641367be6b9/0/0 Joseph's August 1842 statements about Hyrum and Emma: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/reflections-and-blessings-16-and-23-august-1842/2 Hyrum April 8, 1844 Sermon Transcript: https://web.archive.org/web/20230303190436/https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/transcript/minutes-and-discourses-6-9-april-1844-as-reported-by-thomas-bullock?print=true#6225492112447048673 Testimonies of Joseph Smith's Descendants: https://josephsmithsr.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Testimonies-from-the-Smiths-of-the-Book-Mormon.pdf Copy of Letter to B.H. Stenhouse: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/c875ccf4-42e8-4336-a4a1-608a0e61f880/0/602?lang=eng Katharine's Letter: https://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100704.pdf William Smith 1845 Letter to Orson Hyde: https://warsaw.advantage-preservation.com/viewer/?t=30053&i=t&by=1845&bdd=1840&bm=11&bd=26&d=11261845-11261845&fn=warsaw_signal_usa_illinois_warsaw_18451126_english_1&df=1&dt=2 William Smith 1893 Letter: https://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100207.pdf (pg 423) Lucy Mack Smith Biography: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/lucy-mack-smith-history-1845/5 Scripture Central on Joseph Smith Sr. https://scripturecentral.org/evidence/joseph-smith-sr Katherine Salisbury Testimony: https://olivercowdery.com/smithhome/BroBill/KStestimony.htmJoseph Smith August 16, 1843 Letter to Emma: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-emma-smith-16-august-1842/1

29 Dec 202450min

149: Polygamy, the Cockroach in the Sundae - with Kathy Bence

149: Polygamy, the Cockroach in the Sundae - with Kathy Bence

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsReasons to Rescind YouTube Channelhttps://www.youtube.com/@katherinebencePolygamy: A Nonsensical Part of the Restorationhttps://www.nonsensicalpolygamyrestored.com/Michael Mathews II's websitehttps://SectionOneThirtyTwo.wordpress.com/Rational Bible explanation of Genesis 3:16https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5e2b4646306d0d3f836f157e/t/65e69e36e9d94e3b6e656b50/1709612600550/The+Rational+Bible.pdf

22 Dec 20241h 18min

148: James Whitehead, W. W. Blair, and the Dangers of Cherry-Picking

148: James Whitehead, W. W. Blair, and the Dangers of Cherry-Picking

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsLinks: Orson Pratt, The Seer: https://archive.org/details/seereditedbyorso01unse/page/30/mode/2up Jennie Anderson Froiseth, Women of Mormondom: https://archive.org/details/womenofmormonism00froi/page/110/mode/2up?q=hand 1869 Affidavits (Emily and Eliza Partridge): https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/f73e1f69-32d6-4e09-a2f7-f6eed3bd8316/0/2 Blair's Memoirs: https://www.olivercowdery.com/smithhome/1900s/1908Blair.htmWhitehead Autumn Leaves Sermon: https://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100050.pdfNewspaper Report of RLDS Conference: http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/MO/Miss1881.htm James Whitehead Obituary: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/71a298a9-e364-463b-9c53-176d57d5cd4d/0/2 D Michael Quinn Dialogue Article: https://www.dialoguejournal.com/articles/joseph-smith-iiis-1844-blessing-and-the-mormons-of-utah/#_ftn66Elder Hinckley 1981 Conference Talk: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1981/04/the-joseph-smith-iii-document-and-the-keys-of-the-kingdom?lang=eng William Smith 1845 Warsaw Signal Article: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/f2028077-aba7-46dc-aa11-1adcb48ae348/0/0 RLDS Affidavits, Saints Advocate 1885: https://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100135.pdfJoseph Fielding Smith on Hyrum: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/teachings-of-presidents-of-the-church-joseph-fielding-smith/chapter-7-joseph-and-hyrum-smith-witnesses-for-christ?lang=eng

15 Dec 20241h 32min

False Narratives and Weak Sources: Plural Marriage for Children pt 2

False Narratives and Weak Sources: Plural Marriage for Children pt 2

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsLink to the Plural Marriage lesson for kids:https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-stories-2025/44-plural-marriage?lang=eng Joseph's anti-polygamy changes to the Bible: 1 Kings 3:14KJV: And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as thy father David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days.JST And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, then I will lengthen thy days, and thou shalt not walk in unrighteousness as did thy father David.2 Samuel 12:13KJV: And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.JST: And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath not put away thy sin that thou shalt not die.1 Kings 11:4 KJV: For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father.JST: For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, his wives turned away his heart after other gods; and his heart was not perfect with the Lord, his God, and it became as the heart of David, his father.1 Kings 11:6 KJV: And Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, and went not fully after the Lord, as did David his father.JST: And Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, as David, his father, and went not fully after the Lord.1 Kings 11:33KJV: Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped [other gods] and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.JST: Because that they have forsaken me and have worshipped [other gods] and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and my statutes, and my judgments; and his heart is become as David, his father; and he repenteth not as did David, his father, that I may forgive him.

14 Dec 20241h 17min

The Importance of Age Appropriateness and Parental Consent: Plural Marriage for Children pt 1

The Importance of Age Appropriateness and Parental Consent: Plural Marriage for Children pt 1

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsLink to the Plural Marriage lesson for kids:https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-stories-2025/44-plural-marriage?lang=eng

14 Dec 20241h 15min

147: Integrity and Transparency - A Response to Brian Hales

147: Integrity and Transparency - A Response to Brian Hales

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsLinks:INTERVIEW NOTES ON BRIAN'S OWN WEBSITE: https://mormonpolygamydocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/JSIII-Inteview-with-Emma-Smith-1879-from-EMD-Vogel.pdf I WISH I had known about this clip to include in the episode. Listen to Shermer's explanation of Joseph Smith's polygamy from 6:10 - 8:00: https://youtu.be/x2qwRJT4WGY?t=370 (This is one of the most cited people in the book -- so apparently who Brian is finding common cause with in his discussion of Joseph's polygamy.)Study referenced: https://communities.springernature.com/posts/experiences-with-open-science-practices?badge_id=nature-human-behaviour Book Review: https://physicsworld.com/a/lee-mcintyre-the-rant-lit-philosopher-whose-angry-new-book-is-peppered-with-flaws-and-contradictions/

8 Dec 20241h 42min

146: Consider Yourself as Eve with Meghan Farner

146: Consider Yourself as Eve with Meghan Farner

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsConsider Yourself as Eve: A Guide to Spiritual Development for Women (and the Men Who Love Them), by Meghan Farnerhttps://amzn.to/41e5jCm

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