132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems Follow Breeana https://www.facebook.com/breeana.wright.54 Follow Gwendolyn https://www.youtube.com/@gwendolynwyne Follow Karli https://www.tiktok.com/@karli_searches_and_prays Joseph Smith Revealed: A Faithful Telling – Exploring an Alternate Polygamy Narrative, by Whitney Horning https://www.amazon.com/Joseph-Smith-Revealed-Exploring-Alternate/dp/1097872726 Hyrum Smith: A Prophet Unsung, by Whitney Horning https://www.amazon.com/Hyrum-Prophet-Unsung-Whitney-Horning/dp/B0B7QPTNKC Mormon Stories, Ep. 1815 - Polygamy Under Joseph Smith w/ Lindsay Hansen Park & Bryan Buchanan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPukJiqc4wE 1:24:50 Doctrine and Covenants 101 - Marriage (1835 version) https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/doctrine-and-covenants-1835/259 1:25:50 132 Problems Episode 5 - Doctrine & Covenants Teachings on Marriage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXAXj6Attko 132 Problems Episode 68 - The Fruits of Polygamy, with Flora Jessop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkfTtQGOQxM 1:35:50 - TRANSCRIPT OF MISSING AUDIO Bryan Buchanan: "The problem is we don’t always know the dates, and so – as the Louisa Beaman case, and our – a lot of these questions would only be really well answered if we had more data." 2:34:40 Doctrine and Covenants 101:46-54 (current version) https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/101?lang=eng 2:50:30 Doctrine and Covenants 132 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/132?lang=eng 2:51:10 The Book of Mormon, Jacob 2 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/jacob/2?lang=eng 3:07:30 Discourse by Brigham Young, September 21, 1856. https://www.josephsmithfoundation.org/journalofdiscourses/speakers/brigham-young/the-people-of-god-disciplined-by-trials-atonement-by-the-shedding-of-blood-our-heavenly-father-a-privilege-given-to-all-the-married/ 3:24:45 The Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 3:12 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/3?lang=eng

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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems Part 3 of 4 on the Nauvoo Expositor. This will build on the first part, continuing the discussion of the conspiracy against Joseph Smith, going forward to the destruction of the Expositor press and the martyrdom. It is hard to believe how misunderstood and intentionally twisted all of these events have been in people's efforts to paint Joseph Smith as a polygamist. Part 4 will again focus on the specific claims of polygamy surrounding the Expositor and the high council meeting. Links: 25:40 Dallin H. Oaks Paper: https://archive.bookofmormoncentral.org/sites/default/files/archive-files/pdf/oaks/2020-11-30/18_dallin_h._oaks_legally_supressing_the_nauvoo_expositor_in_1844_2014.pdf Suppression of the Nauvoo Expositor (pgs 862-903) https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=722871 Joseph I. Bentley paper: https://byustudies.byu.edu/author/joseph-i-bentley/ 49:30 Warsaw Signal June 14th Extra https://archive.org/details/warsawsignalextr00wars/mode/2up http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/IL/sign1844.htm#0614 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/mayors-order-to-nauvoo-city-marshal-10-june-1844/1#full-transcript https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-f-1-1-may-1844-8-august-1844/112 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-thomas-ford-16-june-1844/1 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-f-1-1-may-1844-8-august-1844/112 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-f-1-1-may-1844-8-august-1844/120 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-f-1-1-may-1844-8-august-1844/120 http://boap.org/LDS/Nauvoo-Neighbor/1844/6-17-1844!.pdf https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-f-1-1-may-1844-8-august-1844/122 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-f-1-1-may-1844-8-august-1844/124 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-thomas-ford-22-23-june-1844/3?highlight=We%20do%20know%20that%20it%20is%20common%20for%20police%20in%20Boston,%20N.%20York, https://famous-trials.com/carthrage/1308-fordletter https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-from-thomas-ford-22-june-1844/1 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-from-thomas-ford-22-june-1844/1#full-transcript https://byustudies.byu.edu/online-chapters/volume-6-chapter-29/ pg 560 https://byustudies.byu.edu/online-chapters/volume-6-chapter-30/ pg 566 https://ensignpeakfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Augustine-Spencer-Nauvoo-Gentile-Joseph-Smith-Antagonist.pdf ) https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-f-1-1-may-1844-8-august-1844/140 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/minutes-10-june-1844/14 1:33:40 Richard Law story in Improvement Era https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/885417da-0dda-4c46-8267-6a5ef955c294/0/0 1:40:00 An Interesting Testimony by Joseph W. McMurrin https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/885417da-0dda-4c46-8267-6a5ef955c294/0/0 1:46:00 Joseph Smith III article in the North American Review https://www.jstor.org/stable/25119379?searchText=polygamy&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3Fscope%3DeyJwYWdlTmFtZSI6ICJUaGUgTm9ydGggQW1lcmljYW4gUmV2aWV3IiwgInBhZ2VVcmwiOiAiL2pvdXJuYWwvbm9ydGFtZXJyZXYiLCAidHlwZSI6ICJqb3VybmFsIiwgImpjb2RlcyI6ICJub3J0YW1lcnJldjpub3J0YW1lcnJldm1pc2NqIn0%253D%26Query%3Dpolygamy&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_search_gsv2%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3Abd114d6390f50440e007ab501e30a69f&seq=9

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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems I'm so thankful that John Hamer, a long-time leading voice on Joseph's polygamy was willing to sit down with me to talk about the evidence. I hope conversations like these can continue to happen, and can continue to move us all closer to truth. Links: 0:01:30 John Hamer: Joseph Smith and Polygamy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM6O0md1Dfg John Hamer: Joseph Smith III's Unpragmatic Choice on Polygamy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vecyhTyt6g 0:55:47 Joseph Smith Fought Polygamy, by Richard and Pamela Price (read for free online) https://restorationbookstore.org/pages/joseph-smith-fought-polygamy-online 1:06:50 Joseph Smith original journal entry 5 October 1843 (“No man shall have but one wife.”) https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1842-june-1844-book-3-15-july-1843-29-february-1844/123 Revisions and additions to journal entry 5 October 1843 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-draft-1-march-31-december-1843/143 Revised text of journal entry 5 October 1843 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/faenrandir/a_careful_examination/d6ee663e933a8cb01b79ddc33fe1232ac3ef12e5/documents/polygamy/oct5-1843/manuscript-history-of-the-church-october-5-1843-d1-720px.jpg 2:24:20 The Contributor (first mention of Whitney “revelation”) https://archive.org/details/contributor0604eng/page/130/mode/2up?view=theater 2:29:27 Joseph Smith letter to the Whitneys https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/12d43acf-10e8-4e5c-b4fd-678613e4c6a3/0/0 1:46:38 October 1842 Times and Seasons https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/times-and-seasons-1-october-1842/14 1:47:18 The Voice of Innocence, read by Emma Smith to the women of Nauvoo, March 1844 https://www.churchhistorianspress.org/the-first-fifty-years-of-relief-society/part-1/1-10 2:27:08 Evaluation of 1842 Whitney "Revelation" by Rob Fotheringham https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HheHqg4c3HQ 3:17:30 Toronto Centre Place https://www.centreplace.ca/

19 Nov 20233h 20min

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems Everything to do with Joseph Smith's polygamy hinges on William Clayton and his journals. Many people argue that Clayton's journals should be accepted without question -- but they haven't seen this. Jeremy Hoop takes us through an extremely in depth look at everything we know about William Clayton's process of record keeping -- and editing. He clearly demonstrates how we can easily tell the difference between an original draft book and a finalized clean copy, and shows in no uncertain terms (through extensive visual evidence) which category Clayton's journals fall into. This is a very long discussion, which some will find fascinating, and others will find overwhelming. For those who prefer the more condensed version, Jeremy will return in the near future to present a much shorter version of the same presentation and evidence, so you won't completely miss out. Links: William Clayton's Writings, Fillerup compilation: https://archive.org/stream/WilliamClaytonJournal/WilliamClaytonJournal_djvu.txt Joseph Smith's Try the Spirits from Times and Seasons: https://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100166.pdf

19 Nov 20233h 44min

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems This is the one. Please watch to the end. Links: -Nauvoo Expositor (Affidavits on pg 2) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OOmVZThUdksmqENbBlPxWXV_qWpFQ_reG3ipyXBc_VM/edit -Joseph Smith July 16 Sermon: -Franklin D Richars: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/discourse-16-july-1843-as-reported-by-franklin-d-richards/1#full-transcript -William Clayton: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/discourse-16-july-1843-as-reported-by-william-clayton/1#full-transcript -Levi Richards: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/e6774c39-facf-48b1-a55b-d08eb24ee8c6/0/11 -Willard Richards – Joseph Smith “Journal” https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1842-june-1844-book-3-15-july-1843-29-february-1844/44#full-transcript -High Council Minutes https://archive.org/details/NauvooHighCouncilMinutes/page/n83/mode/2up -Early History of the Reorganization by Edmund C. Briggs (searchable online version) https://www.centerplace.org/library/books/earlyhistoryofthereorganization.htm -Nauvoo City Council Minutes: June 8,1844: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/minutes-8-june-1844/2#full-transcript -June 10, 1844: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/minutes-8-june-1844/2#full-transcript --Joseph Smith June 16, 1844 sermon https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/discourse-16-june-1844-a-as-reported-by-thomas-bullock/1#full-transcript -Hyrum Smith April 8 Sermon https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/daa151c4-7bae-49d0-8cef-d281a70f1d32/0/34 -Brigham Young Quote: (Complete Discourses vol 5, pg 1101) -Soon-to-be Vice President of the United States, Schuyler Colfax, June 17, 1865 “... the revelations of the Doctrine and Covenants declared for monogamy, but that polygamy was a later revelation commanded by God to him [Brigham] and a few others, and permitted and advised to the rest of the church” (see, quoted in The Western Galaxy, Vol. I, p. 247) -Happiness Letter: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/appendix-letter-to-nancy-rigdon-circa-mid-april-1842/1 Catherine Lewis: https://archive.org/stream/CatherineLewisNarrative/Catherine%20Lewis%20Narrative_djvu.txt Times and Season Feb. 1, 1844 https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/10070 Times and Seasons March 15, 1844 https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/9987 China Creek Letter Cut from History: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-e-1-1-july-1843-30-april-1844/303?highlight=china%20creek Times and Seasons April 1, 1844 https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/8236 William Clayton Letter: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/ab830b42-45c7-4c77-b32f-b1a1d76dfdfd/0/3 William Clayton Affidavit: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/d091310b-4d88-43dd-a141-bb7ec1579934/0/2 July 12, 1843 Official Business: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/reference/calendar-of-documents?highlight=january%205%201844%20city%20council%20minutes#1843-07 Smith Family Land Deed (Emma and Children): https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/deed-to-emma-smith-and-others-12-july-1843/1 Hyrum Smith Land Deed: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/deed-to-hyrum-smith-12-july-1843-draft/1#full-transcript Joseph Smith Fought Polygamy online: https://restorationbookstore.org/pages/joseph-smith-fought-polygamy-online vol. 3, chapter 14 - 15 https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0106/5887/3380/files/JSFP3-chp14.pdf?v=1588802602 https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0106/5887/3380/files/JSFP3-chp15.pdf?v=1588802601 Nauvoo School Announcement: http://boap.org/LDS/Nauvoo-Neighbor/1843/8-9-1843.pdf (pg 4, 2nd column) Jason Briggs: Basis of Brighamite Polygamy https://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100630.pdf

18 Nov 20232h 8min

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems This is one to share. So often we are told that this topic doesn't matter and shouldn't be discussed -- Polygamy is behind us and we don't need to talk, think or worry about it. Heather and Lisa are here to help people understand exactly why it matters, and why it must be addressed and repaired. Polygamy is still very much with us, tormenting too many women and hurting too many hearts and marriages. This was one of my all-time favorite conversations. I am sure you too will be touched by the goodness, sincerity, vulnerability and courage of these two beautiful women. 132 Problems Episode 42: Emma and Joseph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3KtLnYFu9c A Plea to My Sisters, by Russell M. Nelson https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2015/10/a-plea-to-my-sisters?lang=eng

18 Nov 20232h 7min

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems The Nauvoo Expositor, an essential part of church history that lead directly to the martyrdom, and is used by historians and critics to support the assumption that Joseph was indeed the originator of section 132 and polygamy, requires a lot of serious investigation. Understanding the situations and motivations of the men behind this newspaper, the fears of the city it sought to overthrow, and the things it actually says (and does not say) is essential to the discussion of Joseph Smith's polygamy. While people with only surface research or understanding make claims that the expositor proves Joseph's polygamy, deeper understanding reveals exactly the opposite. Links: The Warsaw Signal, May 22, 1844 https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/03f9e475-52af-4def-87f6-654a9ae45bf3/0/1 Lucy Mack Family Memoir https://archive.org/details/LucysBook/page/n1/mode/2up?q=joseph+jackson https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/lucy-mack-smith-history-1844-1845/1#full-transcript Nauvoo Neighbor, April 17, 1844 http://boap.org/LDS/Nauvoo-Neighbor/1844/4-17-1844.pdf Nauvoo Neighbor, May 29, 1844 http://boap.org/LDS/Nauvoo-Neighbor/1844/5-29-1844.pdf City Council Minutes, June 8, 1844 https://ia802907.us.archive.org/18/items/NauvooExpositor1844Replica/Nauvoo_Expositor_1844_replica.pdf City Council Minutes, June 10, 1844 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/minutes-10-june-1844/1#full-transcript Nauvoo Expositor https://ia802907.us.archive.org/18/items/NauvooExpositor1844Replica/Nauvoo_Expositor_1844_replica.pdf Road to Martyrdom, Joseph I. Bentley https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/road-to-martyrdom-joseph-smiths-last-legal-cases/#footnote-068 William Law: Nauvoo Dissenter, Lyndon Cook https://byustudies.byu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/22.1CookWilliam-812be19f-f962-4091-bf12-ff7ca3fd7502.pdf William Law Letters https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1981&context=byusq Sangamo Journal, Warsaw Signal, and other newspapers: http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/il/sign1844.htm#0529 Interview on Nauvoo Counterfeiting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TncaVElUfBA&t=2364s Joseph Jackson Letter and Book https://www.reddit.com/r/mormon/comments/7828su/joseph_h_jacksons_letter_june_1_1844_included/ https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Narrative_of_the_Adventures_and_Experience_of_Joseph_H._Jackson_in_Nauvoo Eaton and Williams Affidavits https://byustudies.byu.edu/online-chapters/volume-6-chapter-11/ William Law diary - request form https://lib.byu.edu/search/byu/record/cat.1577718.item.31197230324508?holding=ln780kz5zajj6vne William Law's Amazing (and Suspect) Diary, by Benjamin Park https://professorpark.wordpress.com/2017/03/06/william-laws-amazing-and-suspect-diary/ Tribune interview with William Law, July 31, 1887 https://william-law.org/publications/dr-w-wyl-wilhelm-ritter-von-wymetal-interview-with-william-law-in-shullsburg-wisconsin-30-march-1887-the-daily-tribune-salt-lake-city-31-july-1887/ Richard Law interview (son of William Law), 1903 https://william-law.org/publications/richard-s-law-improvement-era-1903/ Mark Hofmann forgeries article https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/hofmann-forgeries?lang=eng

18 Nov 20232h 20min

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 https://www.patreon.com/132Problems So happy for the opportunity to have this amazing discussion with Denver Snuffer. Denver is viewed with fear and suspicion by some, with deep curiosity by some, and with esteem and admiration by others. I loved hearing his thoughts and insights as we discussed, among other things, the gospel, the history of polygamy, and the power and importance of the Book of Mormon. Sincere thanks to Denver for his time and willingness to engage in this conversation. Links: Denver's website and blog: https://denversnuffer.com/ 10 Talks recommended in comments: http://thetentalks.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNf7vzPK01k&list=PL1EtZOltlntAG6BJTqeD32zK6BD-KgVG4 Direct links for the books discussed: https://www.amazon.com/Second-Comforter-Conversing-Lord-Through/dp/0974015873/ https://www.amazon.com/Nephis-Isaiah-Denver-Snuffer-Jr/dp/097401589X/ https://www.amazon.com/Eighteen-Verses-Denver-C-Snuffer/dp/0979845521/ https://www.amazon.com/Ten-Parables-Denver-C-Snuffer/dp/0979845572/ https://www.amazon.com/Come-Let-Us-Adore-Him/dp/097984553X/ https://www.amazon.com/Beloved-Enos-Denver-Snuffer-Jr/dp/0979845580/ https://denversnuffer.com/blog/published-books/passing-the-heavenly-gift-2/

18 Nov 20232h 7min