Why Your Discovery Call Isn’t Finding Real Problems | Bite-Sized Tactics

Why Your Discovery Call Isn’t Finding Real Problems | Bite-Sized Tactics

Max Licht (Enterprise AE @ MaestroQA) breaks down his shadow-based discovery process. This technique goes beyond typical discovery calls, allowing you to witness firsthand where inefficiencies and bottlenecks are happening. 1. Identify the Painful Process - Research the customer's current workflow and tools (e.g., Excel, Salesforce) to understand the manual, time-consuming steps involved. - This reveals where inefficiencies exist, giving you a clear picture of the pain your solution can alleviate. It also helps you identify the "drag them through the glass" moments where the pain is most acute, which is critical for building urgency. 2. Set Up the Shadowing Session - Frame the shadow as a collaborative step to fully understand their process. Instead of just making claims, say something like, *“Before I make any promises, I want to fully understand your current reporting process to see where we can add the most value.”* - This approach shifts the focus from selling to problem-solving, making you a trusted partner rather than just a vendor. It also sets the stage for a more meaningful business case. 3. Conduct the Shadow - Watch the prospect use their current tools and processes. Take notes, capture screenshots, and pay attention to friction points, inefficiencies, and workarounds they rely on. - Seeing the workflow in action often reveals unspoken pain points and limitations that even the prospect might not articulate in a standard discovery call. This firsthand observation helps you tailor your pitch to the reality of their day-to-day work. 4. Use Shadows to Build a Business Case - Use the insights gathered to frame your solution as a direct response to the pain points you observed. For example, highlight how your tool eliminates specific inefficiencies, reduces manual steps, or streamlines complex reporting. - This concrete evidence makes your pitch more credible and aligns your solution directly with their business goals, increasing the likelihood of internal buy-in. 5. Follow Up Strategically - After the shadow, summarize your findings in a follow-up email or meeting, highlighting specific pain points you observed and how your solution can address them. Use this to drive urgency and move the deal forward. - This reinforces your credibility as a problem-solver and keeps the conversation anchored in real, observed issues, rather than hypothetical value propositions. 6. Use the Shadow as a Catalyst for Future Conversations - Reference specific pain points in later stages of the sales cycle, using them to frame your solution as a clear, tangible fix for their current frustrations. - This approach keeps the focus on solving their problems, reducing friction in the decision-making process and increasing the likelihood of a successful close. RESOURCES DISCUSSED: ⁠Join our weekly newsletter⁠ ⁠Things you can steal⁠ ⁠Save $50 on any 30MPC course with code “PODCAST”

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How to Use AI For Prospecting | Kyle Coleman | 30MPC Hall of Fame

How to Use AI For Prospecting | Kyle Coleman | 30MPC Hall of Fame

ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Identify Strategic Initiatives: Focus on big company bets that are close to revenue, such as IPOs, international expansions, or mergers and acquisitions. Double Personalize Outreach: Combine company-specific observations with industry trends to create messaging that feels hyper-relevant. Build a Strategic Research Framework: Create a table to map key initiatives (e.g., IPO readiness) on one side and sources of information (e.g., 10-K reports, CEO interviews, press releases) on the other. Leverage AI for Efficiency: Use tools like ChatGPT or Copy AI to analyze information from sources like job postings, financial documents, or industry trends. KYLE'S PATH TO PRESIDENT'S CLUB: CMO @ Copy.ai CMO @ Clari VP, Revenue Growth & Enablement @ Clari Director Sales Development & Enablement @ Clari Sr. Director Sales Development & Optimization @ Looker RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

17 Feb 40min

Stop Hiring the Wrong People, Use This Interview Structure Instead | Kevin "KD" Dorsey | Ep. 287 (Lead)

Stop Hiring the Wrong People, Use This Interview Structure Instead | Kevin "KD" Dorsey | Ep. 287 (Lead)

FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Interview Kits for Prep: Send candidates an interview kit outlining expectations, key questions, and details on interviewers. Poor answers indicate lack of prep or poor fit. Evidence-Based Questions Only: Avoid hypotheticals. Ask for proof of past performance (P.O.P.) to assess real experience and capabilities. Screening Videos Save Time: Require a three-minute video on a key trait (e.g., perseverance). Evaluate clarity, instructions-following, and presentation skills before a live interview. Live Deal Review Test: Have candidates walk through a real deal they closed. Assess how they sourced, ran discovery, demoed, and closed, treating it like an actual deal review. KD'S PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB CRO @ Finally SVP of Sales and Partnerships @ Bench Accounting Practice Lead, Revenue Leadership @ Winning by Design VP of Inside Sales @ PatientPop Inc. Head of Sales Enablement & Development @ ServiceTitan VP of Sales @ SnackNation RESOURCES DISCUSSED Read: Join our weekly newsletter Steal: Templates, drips, scripts

13 Feb 40min

The AI Playbook for Sales: How to Book More Meetings & Close More Deals With AI | Jake Dunlap | Ep. 286 (Sell)

The AI Playbook for Sales: How to Book More Meetings & Close More Deals With AI | Jake Dunlap | Ep. 286 (Sell)

FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS ChatGPT Research Triangle: Before outreach, prompt ChatGPT with the industry (including sub-industry), job title, and your product’s value. This ensures messaging aligns with trends relevant to the prospect. Use Industry Jargon: Ask ChatGPT for insider terminology that VPs in specific industries use. This makes your messaging sound more credible and tailored to their world. Refine Email Sequences: Provide ChatGPT with your email templates and ask it to integrate industry-specific revenue drivers. This keeps messaging structured while adding personalization. Smarter Discovery Questions: Use ChatGPT insights to refine questions that demonstrate expertise. Instead of generic asks, tailor them to industry trends and job-specific challenges. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB CEO @ Skaled Consulting VP Sales @ Nowait, Inc. (acquired by Yelp) Head of Sales & Customer Success @ Chartbeat Vice President of Sales, Success, and Sales Operations @ Glassdoor RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

11 Feb 42min

Using Intent Signals in Cold Outreach | Florin Tatulea | 30MPC Hall of Fame

Using Intent Signals in Cold Outreach | Florin Tatulea | 30MPC Hall of Fame

ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Signal Prioritization: Categorize signals (e.g., high-intent, time-based) with different response SLAs to ensure timely outreach. Call Blitz Culture: Multiple weekly call blitzes with a virtual sales floor create a high-energy, team-building cold calling environment. Effective Personalization: Don’t rely on signals alone; combine them with company insights to craft personalized, compelling outreach. 80/20 Email Framework: Provide reps with an 80% completed template (signal, company insight, ideal state, light CTA), letting them personalize the final 20%. FLORIN'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB: Head of Sales Development @ Common Room Director of Sales @ Barley Senior Manager, Sales Development @ Loopio Manager, Sales Development @ Loopio RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

10 Feb 35min

How to Fix a Broken Sales Org in 90 Days | Kevin "KD" Dorsey | Ep. 285 (Lead)

How to Fix a Broken Sales Org in 90 Days | Kevin "KD" Dorsey | Ep. 285 (Lead)

FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Focus on High-Impact Problems: Prioritize fixing widespread issues over the loudest complaints. High-volume problems drive more meaningful change than squeaky-wheel issues. Leverage 2x Multipliers: Target improvements that can double key metrics rather than marginal gains. Align leadership early so they understand why other issues aren’t top priority. Weekly Wiggle Wednesdays: Hold a one-hour leadership meeting to refine sales tactics. Use the four D’s: define, document, demonstrate, and deliberately practice new strategies. Transparent 1:1 Tracking: Link manager-rep 1:1 docs to the director’s 1:1 doc. Track each rep’s key metric, issue diagnosis, and growth plan for better coaching visibility. KD'S PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB CRO @ Finally SVP of Sales and Partnerships @ Bench Accounting Practice Lead, Revenue Leadership @ Winning by Design VP of Inside Sales @ PatientPop Inc. Head of Sales Enablement & Development @ ServiceTitan VP of Sales @ SnackNation RESOURCES DISCUSSED Read: Join our weekly newsletter Steal: Templates, drips, scripts

6 Feb 41min

How to Open & Close More Deals With Key Accounts | Maddy Jackson | Ep. 284 (Sell)

How to Open & Close More Deals With Key Accounts | Maddy Jackson | Ep. 284 (Sell)

ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Permission-Based Introduction: Identify an executive, then request an intro to their top lieutenant by tying outreach to an executive-level metric they care about. Funding Intent Matters: Don’t just track funding announcements—dig into how the company plans to use the money and align outreach to support that goal. AE & SDR Account Strategy: AEs select accounts, build a POV, and own outreach to execs, while SDRs focus on below-the-line contacts with AE guidance. Account Tiering System: Rank accounts as green (30-50), yellow (130), or red (30-50) based on deal size and buying likelihood to prioritize outreach effectively. MADDY'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB: Account Executive @ Webflow Account Executive @ SafeGraph Account Executive @ Procore Technologies Account Executive @ Procore Technologies Senior Business Development Rep @ Procore RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

4 Feb 41min

How to Protect Your Pricing | Johnny Larson | 30MPC Hall of Fame

How to Protect Your Pricing | Johnny Larson | 30MPC Hall of Fame

ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Know Competitors' Fiscal Periods: Be aware of when your competitors’ fiscal periods end to anticipate price drops and position yourself better. Phased Approach: When price matters, propose only the essentials for day one to make your quote smaller and easier to accept. Timeline Stack: Identify key timeline drivers, like contract end dates or business seasonality, to create urgency. Turn Want into Why: During discovery, dig deeper to find the real business problem behind a customer’s desire for change. JOHNNY'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB Commercial Account Executive @ Talkdesk Enterprise Sales Development Manager @Talkdesk Team Lead, Enterprise Sales Development @ Mimeo Enterprise SDR @ Mimeo RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

3 Feb 41min

How to Build the Perfect Sales Team, Role by Role | Mark, Nick, & Armand | Ep. 283 (Lead)

How to Build the Perfect Sales Team, Role by Role | Mark, Nick, & Armand | Ep. 283 (Lead)

Nick, Armand, and Mark Kosoglow talk through how and when you should make different sales hires as your sales team grows. ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Hire Builders First: Early sales hires should create processes, while later hires follow them. CEO Sales Involvement: Founders should sell until they define the product and process, then transition to AEs. Scaling Key Roles: Maintain a 1:1 AE to SDR ratio early, shifting to 2:1 later. Hire RevOps early; SE and enablement depend on need. Manager & Director Timing: Keep managers at 8 reps max, stretching to 10-12 if needed. Delay director hires until managing at least three managers. RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Stages of Sales Leader Episode Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

30 Jan 55min

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