Divergent States

Divergent States

Divergent States cuts through psychedelic hype with grounded, curious conversations about what these substances actually do.


Hosted by 3L1T3, founder of r/Psychonaut, the world’s largest psychedelic harm-reduction community, and co-hosted by Bryan, a USMC veteran and advocate for psychedelic healing, the show brings together lived experience, science, and culture without losing its sense of humor.


This isn’t a spiritual podcast.
This isn’t a marketing platform.


No mysticism. No sales pitch. Just real conversations, harm reduction, and honest questions.


We explore how psychedelics shape mental health, creativity, and society, from underground use and peer-support communities to clinical trials, therapy rooms, and shifting public attitudes. Some episodes get serious. Some get weird. All of them are grounded in respect for the people actually taking these substances and living with the outcomes.


Guests include Rick Doblin, Reggie Watts, Leonard Pickard, Anne Wagner, Hamilton Morris, and Rick Strassman.


Divergent States is built on the same principles that made r/Psychonaut work at scale: curiosity without gullibility, openness without losing your footing, and safety without killing the joy.


If you’re looking for guru worship, this isn’t your show.


If you’re looking for thoughtful, funny, and grounded conversations about psychedelics and the lives they touch, welcome to Divergent States.


New episodes every two weeks.

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Episoder(42)

Reality Is Weird Enough: Psychedelic Realism with Danny Forde

Reality Is Weird Enough: Psychedelic Realism with Danny Forde

When a psychedelic experience feels profoundly true, does that mean it actually tells us something true? Danny Forde, author of Phenomenology of Psychedelic Experiences, joins Divergent States to expl...

22 Sep 59min

The Missing Piece of Psychedelics: Global Psychedelic Society on Community

The Missing Piece of Psychedelics: Global Psychedelic Society on Community

What if one of the biggest things missing from the modern psychedelic conversation isn't another drug, therapy, or clinical protocol, but community? In this episode of Divergent States, 3L1T3 sits dow...

9 Sep 1h 6min

Portals vs. Pathways: The Real Work After Psychedelics | Jonathan Schecter

Portals vs. Pathways: The Real Work After Psychedelics | Jonathan Schecter

There’s a big difference between having a psychedelic experience and actually doing something with it. Jonathan Schecter, host of Vital Point: Pathways to Integration and founder of Pathways Integrati...

25 Aug 1h

The Counterculture of Aging: Abbie Rosner on Psychedelics and Elderhood

The Counterculture of Aging: Abbie Rosner on Psychedelics and Elderhood

What can psychedelics offer when the question is no longer “Who am I becoming?” but “What do I do with the life I’ve already lived?” Abbie Rosner, author of Psychedelics and the Counterculture of Agin...

11 Aug 1h 6min

Naked Out Loud: Machan Taylor on Memory, Music, and MDMA Therapy

Naked Out Loud: Machan Taylor on Memory, Music, and MDMA Therapy

Machan Taylor has spent a lifetime using her voice. As a singer, songwriter, performer, and author of Naked Out Loud, she has worked with artists including Pink Floyd, Pat Benatar, George Benson, Hiro...

21 Jul 58min

The Art of Psychedelic Peer Support | Zendo Project

The Art of Psychedelic Peer Support | Zendo Project

What actually happens when a psychedelic experience becomes overwhelming in the middle of a concert, festival, or crowded event? 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Case Newsom, emergency medicine physician...

7 Jul 1h 3min

Who Should Be Allowed to Guide Psychedelic Experiences? | Dori Lewis

Who Should Be Allowed to Guide Psychedelic Experiences? | Dori Lewis

Dori Lewis is a psychotherapist, clinical supervisor, Natural Medicine Facilitator, and Co-Founder of Elemental Psychedelics. She also owns Reflective Healing Center, one of Colorado's licensed psyche...

23 Jun 55min

The NFL Broke His Brain… Then Ibogaine Changed Everything | Robert Gallery

The NFL Broke His Brain… Then Ibogaine Changed Everything | Robert Gallery

Former NFL player and College Football Hall of Famer Robert Gallery joins Divergent States for one of the most raw conversations we’ve had on the show. After retiring from professional football, Rober...

8 Jun 54min

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