Divergent States

Divergent States

Divergent States cuts through psychedelic hype with grounded, curious conversations about what these substances actually do.


Hosted by 3L1T3, founder of r/Psychonaut, the world’s largest psychedelic harm-reduction community, and co-hosted by Bryan, a USMC veteran and advocate for psychedelic healing, the show brings together lived experience, science, and culture without losing its sense of humor.


This isn’t a spiritual podcast.
This isn’t a marketing platform.


No mysticism. No sales pitch. Just real conversations, harm reduction, and honest questions.


We explore how psychedelics shape mental health, creativity, and society, from underground use and peer-support communities to clinical trials, therapy rooms, and shifting public attitudes. Some episodes get serious. Some get weird. All of them are grounded in respect for the people actually taking these substances and living with the outcomes.


Guests include Rick Doblin, Reggie Watts, Leonard Pickard, Anne Wagner, Hamilton Morris, and Rick Strassman.


Divergent States is built on the same principles that made r/Psychonaut work at scale: curiosity without gullibility, openness without losing your footing, and safety without killing the joy.


If you’re looking for guru worship, this isn’t your show.


If you’re looking for thoughtful, funny, and grounded conversations about psychedelics and the lives they touch, welcome to Divergent States.


New episodes every two weeks.

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Episoder(42)

Shane Mauss: How Psychedelics Actually Change the Mind

Shane Mauss: How Psychedelics Actually Change the Mind

What really happens when psychedelics change someone, and why do some people come back grounded while others spiral into ego, conspiracy, or spiritual bypassing? In this long-form conversation, comedi...

19 Jan 1h 8min

Inside Season Two: Integration, Not Escapism

Inside Season Two: Integration, Not Escapism

Season Two of Divergent States is about something simple and surprisingly rare: exploring altered states without losing touch with reality. In this preview episode, 3L1T3 and Bryan share two short mom...

7 Jan 12min

Dennis McKenna: Nature, AI, and the Collapse of Separation

Dennis McKenna: Nature, AI, and the Collapse of Separation

Dennis McKenna joins 3L1T3 and Valerie Beltran to discuss the future of psychedelics, indigenous knowledge, and whether we are ready to bring these tools into mainstream culture without repeating the ...

21 Nov 20251h 23min

Betty Aldworth: MAPS, MDMA, and the Battle Over Psychedelic Medicine

Betty Aldworth: MAPS, MDMA, and the Battle Over Psychedelic Medicine

In this episode of Divergent States, 3L1T3 sits down with Betty Aldworth, the new co-president of MAPS, as she steps into shared leadership with Ismail Ali following Rick Doblin’s four-decade run. Bet...

5 Nov 20251h 7min

David Bronner on Corporate Psychedelics, Mysticism, and the All-One Future

David Bronner on Corporate Psychedelics, Mysticism, and the All-One Future

Dr. Bronner’s Cosmic Engagement Officer David Bronner joins Divergent States for a candid, nuts-and-bolts conversation about building an “All One” company culture, pushing for psychedelic policy refor...

22 Okt 20251h 16min

Joe Moore on the Future of Psychedelics: From Underground to Mainstream

Joe Moore on the Future of Psychedelics: From Underground to Mainstream

Psychedelics are no longer the fringe—they’re reshaping medicine, culture, and consciousness itself. In this episode of Divergent States, 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Joe Moore, co-founder and CEO of...

9 Okt 20251h 2min

What Psychedelics Actually Do to Creativity, with Reggie Watts

What Psychedelics Actually Do to Creativity, with Reggie Watts

Psychedelics are often framed as creativity boosters, but that’s not exactly what’s happening. In this conversation with Reggie Watts, we explore what psychedelics actually do to the creative process,...

22 Sep 202539min

How Politics Could Derail Psychedelic Medicine — Again

How Politics Could Derail Psychedelic Medicine — Again

History shows politics can make or break psychedelic medicine, will we repeat the 1960s backlash, or finally move forward? In this episode of Divergent States, we explore the uneasy intersection of p...

10 Sep 202537min

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