
Comfort in Chaos: The URT Story | The Fourth Phase Podcast Ep 3
Ian Urtnowski grew up in Coronado, California, a beach kid turned waterman, lifeguard, and entrepreneur who built URT from $700 and zero guarantees. In this episode, Ian opens up publicly for the firs...
28 Apr 1h 4min

Starting Over: The Truth About Timing, Failure & Rebuilding
In this first Swim Buddy episode, JJ and Kristel share the real story behind The Fourth Phase Podcast—why it took years to launch, what they went through to get here, and why the timing finally matter...
22 Apr 1h 1min



















