71: One "Polygamy Denier's" Response to Bill Reel, RFM and Brian Hales | 132 Problems
132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy17 Nov 2023

71: One "Polygamy Denier's" Response to Bill Reel, RFM and Brian Hales | 132 Problems

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Multiple podcasts hit pretty hard last week against people who have come to believe that polygamy did not originate with Joseph Smith. As has always been the case, although they agree on almost nothing else, both those who hate Joseph Smith and think the worst of him, and those who claim to love him and believe they are following in his name, agree on this one central point -- that polygamy started with Joseph Smith.

Both sides are convinced that theirs is the only tenable position. I disagree.

In this intimidating episode I do my best to lay out the situation as I see it, explain the basics of my "polygamy denying" perspective, and respond directly to the key points of their presentations.


Links:

Saints Unscripted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMj_lxPZIT0&t=1238s

Mormonism Live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV3f57VZuqo&t=338s

The Peace Maker: https://archive.org/details/GR_2186/mode/2up?view=theater

Times and Seasons Notice: https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/8401

Oct. 5 Journal Entries: Original: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1842-june-1844-book-3-15-july-1843-29-february-1844/123

Altered for Publication: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/faenrandir/a_careful_examination/d6ee663e933a8cb01b79ddc33fe1232ac3ef12e5/documents/polygamy/oct5-1843/original-journal-entry-anonymous.jpg

After Alterations: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-e-1-1-july-1843-30-april-1844/118

Hyrum's April 8, 1843 sermon (Thomas Bullock unedited transcript -- removed from JSP): https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/daa151c4-7bae-49d0-8cef-d281a70f1d32/0/32

Same speech after alterations (Still available on JSP, and has already been passed off as the original) https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-e-1-1-july-1843-30-april-1844/356

Joseph Smith's letter to the RS as recorded in the RS Minutes: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/nauvoo-relief-society-minute-book/108#full-transcript

Same letter after alterations: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-emma-smith-and-the-relief-society-31-march-1842/3#full-transcript

Joseph's letter to Parley Pratt about keeping families together: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-parley-p-pratt-and-others-12-june-1842/1#full-transcript

Brigham Young, Sept 21, 1856, JoD vol. 4, pp. 51-57

Heber C. Kimball, Nov. 9, 1856, JoD vol. 4, pp. 80-83

Rob Fotheringham's Happiness Letter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWD1XwVr6AA&t=1204s

Melissa Lott Family Bible: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/7226d36f-b3a5-4c0e-9d0c-33d87d46ffb4/0/3

Michael Shirmer Ted Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_6-iVz1R0o

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145: Talking Polygamy and Politics with Jim Bennett

145: Talking Polygamy and Politics with Jim Bennett

LISTEN TO MICHELLE’S INTERVIEW ON JIM BENNETT’S PODCAST!“Was Joseph Smith Really a Polygamist? A Conversation with Michelle Brady Stone”Inside Out with Jim Bennett and Ian WilksSpotifyhttps://open.spotify.com/episode/4w9zq5zU2t6wyi5oW7272VApple Podcastshttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/was-joseph-smith-really-a-polygamist-a/id1682941294?i=1000677116083A Faithful Reply to the CES Letter, by Jim Bennetthttps://scripturecentral.org/archive/books/book/ces-letter-reply-faithful-answers-those-who-doubtPlease consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problems

17 Nov 20242h 24min

144: Brigham's Masonic Cipher

144: Brigham's Masonic Cipher

Correction: I failed to also mention Nick Literski as a foremost scholar on Masonry and a co-author on Method Infinite. Nick's contributions to this field should not go without saying. My apologies for the oversight.Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsBrigham's journal entry: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/7caa151f-e878-4cde-9dd2-aa8cb03da3d1/0/36 Joseph Agnew: https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/RelEd/id/4124/ https://rsc.byu.edu/nauvoo-temple-story-faith/fate-temple#_noteref-44 Agnes Sutherland: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/the-book-of-the-law-of-the-lord-book-a/114 Tim Rathbone Brigham Young Masonic Connection paper: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tlG5VyYaw0w_UnF752yrp_CxNo3BmvO3/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=112199719519616884882&rtpof=true&sd=true Todd Compton/Tim Rathbone Sunstone panel: https://sunstone.org/elvira-annie-cowles-holmes-smith-relief-society-treasurer-and-joseph-smiths-polyandrous-wife-brigham-young-and-the-masonic-connection/ Mike Reed's blog post: https://culturalmormoncafeteria.blogspot.com/2009/11/brigham-youngs-cipher.html WAS/SAW examples: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/7caa151f-e878-4cde-9dd2-aa8cb03da3d1/0/61 https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/1c66d65a-8781-4476-b3dc-a12c6db39174/0/68 https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/7caa151f-e878-4cde-9dd2-aa8cb03da3d1/0/58 https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/1c66d65a-8781-4476-b3dc-a12c6db39174/0/65 https://culturalmormoncafeteria.blogspot.com/2009/11/brigham-youngs-cipher.html https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/7caa151f-e878-4cde-9dd2-aa8cb03da3d1/0/78https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1841-december-1842/12 https://josephsmithspolygamy.org/plural-wives-overview/biographies-of-josephs-plural-wives/ https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/person/agnes-moulton-coolbrith-pickett

10 Nov 20241h 50min

143: Revisiting the Temple with Cory Jensen

143: Revisiting the Temple with Cory Jensen

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsCory's website: https://www.templeendowment.com/You can download a free copy of Completing Your Endowment from the website. The discussion on the roadmap that the endowment provides can be found in Chapter 5 -- Priesthood and Temple Keys.The discussion on the penalties is in Chapter 6 --The Endowment's Testimony of Christ. It is in the section labeled "The King's Ransom"

3 Nov 20242h 9min

142: Hyrum Smith - The Polygamy Narrative's Achilles' Heel

142: Hyrum Smith - The Polygamy Narrative's Achilles' Heel

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsLinks:Whitney Horning's Paper: https://132problems.org/refuting-claims-that-hyrum-smith-was-a-polygamist/Hyrum's Affidvait re: Bennett: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/times-and-seasons-1-august-1842/10 Letter to Parley P. Pratt: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-parley-p-pratt-and-others-12-june-1842/4 Levi Richards's Journal: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/e8d44719-6577-4503-86b8-1641367be6b9/0/0Emily Partridge Temple Lot: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/6ed3a142-524e-4471-852d-51e8ef422647/0/38 Hiram Brown Excommunication: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/notice-circa-1-february-1844/1 Journal re: Orsamus Bostwick: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1842-june-1844-book-3-15-july-1843-29-february-1844/283John Scott affidavit: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/deposition-26-february-1844-city-of-nauvoo-v-bostwick/1 Hyrum's letter to China Creek: https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/9987 Elder's Abroad letter: https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/8236 Hyrum's postage notice: https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/8269 Catherine Phillips Affidavits: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/b412996b-112a-463f-b222-6004ab061793/0/0?lang=eng https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/b3718dc4-9815-4680-be15-9fda16165570/0/0 Catherine Phillips Death Certificate: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6XSQ-WYK?i=13&cc=1747615&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AXZLG-8X1Mercy Thompson's Autobiography: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/f3e7311c-cd9c-4dea-811e-bdb9d973fa26/0/3Copy, Mercy Thompson Letter: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/c6746061-f36c-46ed-8961-03f8c2369d5d/0/100

27 Okt 20242h 7min

141: Women's Empowerment in the Church w/ Colleen Kelson Rogers

141: Women's Empowerment in the Church w/ Colleen Kelson Rogers

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20 Okt 20241h 54min

140: The Inside Scoop on Karen's New Documentary

140: The Inside Scoop on Karen's New Documentary

Woe Unto You, Scribes: The Hidden History of Polygamyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLbLQR95zj8Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsMormon Polygamy Discussion Group:https://www.facebook.com/groups/8025267732063872 Year Anniversary Episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WXFFYd6mXA&t=3030sFirst LDS Polygamist: Joseph or Brigham? by Rob Fotheringhamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5heXE5xS5wEpisode 83: Why It Matters – with Heather and Lisahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BonCxTzzdfY

13 Okt 20241h 32min

139: Healing the Wounds of Polygamy with Allie Duzett

139: Healing the Wounds of Polygamy with Allie Duzett

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6 Okt 20241h 57min

138: Live Call-in Show #3

138: Live Call-in Show #3

Responding to David Alexander, Plus, the Whitney Documents, the Journal of Mormon Polygamy, hit-pieces from other channels, and so much more. Let's talk about it!

29 Sep 20241h 49min

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